The End of the Green Party?

The Making of a Political Silhouette

While the Democratic Party refuses to impeach President Bush, continues to fund the war and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan through 2009, spreads the same lies about Iran’s nuclear ambitions, and gives the administration a blank check for domestic spying, what are the leaders of the Green Party up to?

Fasten your safety belts kiddos because they are doing some astonishing things.

Tearing Open of Old Wounds

After Ralph Nader spoke to the Greens during their national convention in Reading, Pennsylvania last July, the party looked incredibly united. Collectively they seemed to recognize that in order to be a party of opposition they better start acting like one now by distancing themselves from the failed policies of old. Within hours, however, a principal architect of the disastrous David Cobb “safe state strategy” in 2004 immediately began to unravel the unity of the Greens.

Under the guise of what was purported to be a unification proposal titled “We Will Run”, Phil Huckelberry, a vocal delegate from Illinois, opened up all the old wounds of 2004 by insulting the majority of Green Party members by condemning those who voted not only for the corporate candidate John Kerry, but also those who backed independent candidate, Ralph Nader.

The first question one might ask is why does the Green Party still have an officer in place that helped devastate the party by supporting a losing strategy in 2004? As it turns out, not only is Huckelberry still a delegate to their National Committee, he has also been promoted to their Steering Committee.

The Greens like to tell us how much they hate corporate crooks, yet with Huckelberry they have emulated the very worst of corporate America by promoting an insider who was partly responsible for a major tactical failure in 2004.

In any normal business setting, a manager who is responsible for lost revenues, customer depreciation, and closing of plants would resign in anticipation of being fired. Only the worst, the real corporate criminals, reward such employees. The Green Party has chosen a surprising model to emulate. The “safe states strategy”, championed by officers like Phil Huckelberry and a sizable number of other Green Party delegates, emptied the Green Party’s treasury, lost over 50,000 members, as well as the ballot lines gained by Ralph Nader’s candidacy of 2000.

Those officers still remain in charge.

In an effort to head off an impending disaster, John Murphy, a delegate from Pennsylvania and a longtime Nader supporter, offered his own amendment to counter Huckelberry’s.

“My proposal would have fixed Huckelberry’s proposal and guaranteed almost unanimous support,” says Murphy. “But Huckelberry ignored the amendment until seven hours prior to the vote, which allowed delegates to tear each other apart for almost a month. We had almost been healed, but not now.”

Such persistent divisiveness seems to only exist within the rank and squalor of the Green Party, which does not function like a democratic parliamentary body. Instead of operating under “Roberts Rules of Order”, the Green Party’s National Committee runs under a bizarre system called “Consensus”, which was designed as a budgeting tool for the Quakers. A Consensus approach might be of some use to a monolithic religious organization, but it was never intended for a highly diverse political party.

Little things like the democratic process don’t seem to bother the Green Party leaders all that much anyway; they gave the Green Party a presidential candidate in 2004 that only received a meager 12% of the vote in the primaries. The Green leaders believe in minority rule instead of majority rule. And they practice just that. Literally, in the Green Party ruling bodies, you must have super majorities — 20% of the Green Party officers can overrule 80% of the Green Party officers.

With the Green Party delegates busy tearing each other apart, Murphy took his frustration a step further and called for the resignation of those responsible for the disaster of 2004. Not an unreasonable request.

Instead of those officers resigning, however, Murphy was removed from the Green Party’s National Committee internet discussion groups by “forum managers” who are, as you might imagine, controlled by the Demogreens (the name given to those Greens who remain philosophically joined at the hip to the Democratic Party and were the “safe state strategists” of 2004). All Murphy had done was publicly oppose his party’s failed leadership.

The End of Debate and Dissent

The Demogreens could not risk another Murphy calling for their resignation, so they are now voting on another proposal that will stifle debate and put an end to any dissent within the delegates’ email discussion groups. The argument, and proposal, goes something like this: There are a few Greens who post too often so rather than letting the delegated decide what they read, the Greens have opted to prevent everyone from posting more than one letter per day. Apparently the Green Party delegates just can’t handle excessive free speech. Of course the Greens could move to a blog format or even an online forum — which would seem like a perfect solution.

Nonetheless, one thing you have to admire about the Greens is their transparency. They actually let the public see these silly proposals. Anyone can go to http://gp.org/cgi-bin/vote/index and get an education as to how the officers of the Green Party really operate.

Green Party Turns Hard Right

Green delegates from Tennessee have recently advanced a proposal which they call “Moving the Money from Wall Street to Main Street”. Certainly sounds innocuous enough. Tragically the delegates from Tennessee based their proposal on a presentation made to the Green Party delegates at their convention by a woman named Catherine Austin Fitts.

Ms. Fitts, a Republican, was Assistant Secretary of Housing in the administration of George Bush Sr. and now supports libertarian causes. Why was Fitts invited to talk to the Green Party about banking issues? Nobody really knows. Perhaps not surprisingly, one of the associates of Catherine Austin Fitts is Franklin Sanders, a leading thinker in the extreme right-wing Constitution Party. Sanders is also chairman of the Tennessee chapter of “The League of the South”, yes, from the same state of the Green Party delegates who offered the proposal in the first place.

The League of the South is quite an outfit. They advocate the ideology of “kinism”, and would outlaw racial intermarriage and non-white immigration, expel all “aliens” (including Jews and Arabs), limit the right to vote to white landowning males over the age of twenty-one, and re-institute black slavery. The Green Party is about to adopt a proposal based on the philosophy of people like Fitts and Sanders. One has to wonder who would influence these guys if they were savvy enough to win elections.

Nader Greens to the Rescue, Again

When the Green Party delegates from Tennessee were made aware of the implications of supporting a proposal based on the motives of Fits and Sanders by delegates from New Jersey, Liz Arnone and Gary Novosielski (both Nader Greens) — the folks from Tennessee decided to keep it anyway by simply removing the names of Sanders and Fitts.

Take the gun, leave the cannoli.

However, simply removing the names of the libertarian banker and the racist leader from The League of the South is still an open endorsement of these people and their positions. Who knows, maybe the Green Party delegates are just the most politically naïve leaders of any party in the nation. In any event, politically naïve or intentionally destructive, the Greens certainly do not need folks like this in leadership positions.

Ralph Nader may very well pull the Green onions out of the fire if he runs on their ticket in 2008 by restoring many of their lost ballot lines. Nader would also increase their membership and replenish their treasury. The question simply remains: How long after November 11, 2008 will it take the people who savaged the Green Party in 2004 to squander the political capital once again gained by a Nader presidential campaign?

The Demogreens work pretty damn quickly. My guess is, given its current leadership and their juvenile antics, by 2009 the last chapter will have been written and the book closed on the Green Party of the United States. A sad ending to a story which began with such noble aspirations.

Joshua Frank is co-editor of Dissident Voice and author of Left Out! How Liberals Helped Reelect George W. Bush (Common Courage Press, 2005), and along with Jeffrey St. Clair, the editor of Red State Rebels: Tales of Grassroots Resistance in the Heartland, published by AK Press in June 2008. Check out the Red State Rebels site. Read other articles by Joshua.

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  1. Phil Huckelberry said on September 3rd, 2007 at 11:19am #

    Typical hack journalism from a man whose lack of journalistic standards would make FOX blush. Unsupportable claims, outright lies, and an obvious attempt to disrupt and destroy the Green Party from the outside – all of which we’ve come to expect from this guy over time.

    Going after me like this proves that I really *am* a threat to the dominant power structure in Frank’s eyes, since what he and his cronies are really interested in is not a strong opposition party trying to become a major force in American politics but instead the politics of limited outside oppositionalism where they can constantly lob volleys at alleged insiders without any serious pretense of trying to take the reins of power. They crave on ripping on others, not on building anything up.

    See, Joshy doesn’t bother to explain to people that “We Will Run”, approved 113-10-3, *is* a unity position, actually supported by the vast majority of known Nader supporters within the Green National Committee, who understand that it’s precisely the kind of message that Nader himself wanted to see as he considers whether to run in 2008. The so-called “Nader Greens” Frank speaks of are not Nader’s primary supporters within the party, and have basically been undermining the party’s potential to support a Nader campaign in 2008 by trying to tear their colleagues down.

    I’m sure this hatchet piece will make the usual Green rounds. They usually do. And I’m also sure that the intent will be to distract people from building up party infrastructure by forcing them to deal with incessant internal arguing – a favorite tactic of oppositionalists like Frank who actually seem to feed off of things collapsing. It’s not going to work this time, because most Greens will recognize Frank’s piece here for what it really is – an outside attempt to tear down our party.

  2. Robert B. Livingston said on September 3rd, 2007 at 12:12pm #

    Whenever anyone asks me what party I belong to I tell them the Green Party, but am compelled to explain that I am a “Nader Green.” As if more than a handful of people understands that or cares.

    I believe Ralph Nader recognized early on that the Green Party was being doctored by a morally insincere and hypocritical leadership.

    I know I did.

    And one thing I learned since 2004 is that there are still many fine Greens and others who like me truly desire a better world of peace and justice.

    Like me, they are without a home and call themselves all manner of things– but we can recognize each other on sight. And like me, they will not give up.

    Are Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney, Cindy Sheehan Greens? You tell me.

  3. Charles Newlin said on September 3rd, 2007 at 12:24pm #

    There is a lot missing from this piece, such as the actual content of the “We Will Run” resolution or Murphy’s amendment. As a member of the state coordinating committee in Oregon, I saw the “We Will Run” proposal and supported it, as did the rest of the committee. Since I’m one of those who held their nose and voted for Kerry in ’04, you’d think I would have felt insulted. On the contrary, I felt that the proposal rejected the “safe states” strategy, which I now think was a disastrous mistake. Mea culpa, I supported it at the time.

    I’m not a delegate, so I didn’t see Murphy’s amendment. Your article would be much more informative if both texts were readily available – perhaps as links?

    In general, after many years as a Green I think that criticism based on glitches in process is beside the point: there are always glitches in process, because we can’t afford full-time staff to prevent them. And there is always infighting, because we’re a POLITICAL party, and we’re a pack of dissidents. If you’re a Green, you deal with it. Forgiveness is a virtue.

    Which brings me to Huckelberry’s promotion. As I said, I’m not a delegate so I don’t know, but in my experience of the party, power results from willingness to do the work. He also represents an important faction which probably should have a presence on the steering committee, at least if they grasp that the ’04 strategy was a blunder, as the “We Will Run” proposal seemed to me to acknowledge.

    That division went two ways: Nader would have had the nomination if he had asked for it. I’m still not clear why he didn’t – perhaps you could explain that for us? As it was, he was at least as guilty of splitting the party as Cobb was. Indeed, David Cobb volunteered to fill the hole that Nader left.

    As I said, forgiveness is a virtue. But it’s little wonder there is still bitterness around that divide.

    Personally, I would support the one-message-a-day rule for an e-mail discussion list: otherwise it becomes unusable, at least for those who don’t have their own website &/or huge computer and bandwidth capacity. You’re right: a forum or blog format is much better. We’re working on that, here in Oregon, but I find that it takes considerable work that I can’t do myself. Can you, Joshua? Perhaps you could offer to help.

    To repeat: in the Green Party, power goes to those who are willing to do the work. Are you one of those? Otherwise, I appreciate reporting on events at the national level (I have a hard enough time keeping track of Oregon), but this piece strongly resembles sniping from the sidelines.

    Oh, yes: that economic proposal from Tennessee. No text there, either. You’re very heavy on ad hominem arguments, but don’t enable us to consider the proposal itself. For all we know, it’s as sensible as the title implies. Greens have a surprising amount in common with libertarians. Outsider status, for one.

    Your piece, which I first saw on Counterpunch where I can’t respond, would be much more useful with more reporting and less personal attack.

  4. Martin Zehr said on September 3rd, 2007 at 12:37pm #

    Joshua is on a new crusade to bring about the dismantlement of the Green Party as quickly as possible. He may be on target with his commentary, but he sure misses the point as to the ramifications of the collapse of the Green Party would have on the political arena in 2008. As someone who has no room in his agenda for either of the duopoly parties and who has been a registered Green since 1993, I for one would find a new home within Unity ’08 if the Greens are forced off the platform by rhetorical attacks or Democratic suppression of ballot access. There is no liberal agenda for America in 2008, and Joshua appears quite willing to perpetuate a new ABB strategy to try and undermine any independent third-party strategy.

    So be it. But people should not be so foolish as to take Josh’s screed at face value. Certainly the details regarding the NC debates were provided with ulterior motive from a source not without issues of his own. Once again, Greens see that they have no friends on the “left”, when it comes to any Presidential or Congressional campaigns. From my point of view, that’s just fine with me. I would suggest that Dissiedent Voice open up a Forum on this issue to avoid the kind of misrepresentation that ois prevalent in Josh’s work.

  5. Brandy Baker said on September 3rd, 2007 at 3:16pm #

    The one posting a day makes perfect sense. Anyone who is posting more than that is not being effective; there are too many Greens all over the US spending too much time on listservs and blogs. In my state (Maryland) Greens seem to think that sitting on their butts behind computer and gossiping on listservs is party-building; this is why the internal culture of the MD Green Party is a cesspool of dysfunction. If you are using the listervs and blogs as a tool for organizing or discussing direction (with the emphasis on MOVING FORWARD QUICKLY), that is one thing and can be accomplished with one posting per person per day. I would say one posting per week, actually. Anything more is mental masturbation.

    The consensus voting needs to be abolished; it is a sham. Tyranny of the minority is NOT democracy and in my state, consensus is used as a tool for holding people back who want to be active and grow the Party. Nothing is gained by tying people up in process. I have seen it used too many times in a manipulative fashion (this person is not nice, so we will block his proposal). Or the supermajoirty won out and one person will keep reintroducing the same proposal until the tiny minority can brow-beat the timid majority who do not have the nerve to say “no, stop this, we already decided on this”. In our local, maj0rity rules. 50% + 1 baby!

    In our state Green Party, nothing is about politics, it’s about who they like/dislike. Like a social club.

    We tried to stop the nomination of a state delegate last year who made some racist remarks about Latinos with some neo-Malthusian drivel about our “need to be a good example” to Latinos who have too many babies by sterilizing ourselves and having them follow suit. We were seem as “picking on” him and people felt sorry for him! We were told that bringing this up publicly “only made enemies”.

    Which leads me to the point that while yes, we have diversity of thought in our party, we need more than these “Ten Key Values”, which are just pretty platitudes, to have a third party that works. Either we are anti-racist or we are not. Many seem to mistake ethical relativism as being progressive. This leads to a great lack of political conciousness; something that the GP sorely needs to give it some direction.

    Greens need to be OUT IN THE STREETS bringing in new blood. Our group works with those folks who are in the streets and we ignore the rest.

  6. Peter LaVenia said on September 3rd, 2007 at 4:14pm #

    I find it funny that I’m defending my friend Josh – both because I’m co-chair of the New York State Green Party but also because he and I had an email exchange about the Green Party back in late 2004 over the same issue. At the time I said that the GPUS could be salvaged – that a dissident, radical faction had to be built. Now, unfortunately, I find myself leaning more towards Josh’s view of things.

    The Green Party US is an odd creation; it inhabits the space which would be taken in other countries by a left-wing labor-based party, but because the US hasn’t had one of those since at least the mid-1930s, we fill the gap. Unfortunately, because its goal is not to recruit the working class or to bring about any kind of radical revolution, but is instead forced into that role, rather de-facto, of being a (potentially) radical opposition party mostly staffed by middle-class intellectuals and supported by better-off, educated workers, its position is muddled. It is what, in other times, would have been called a leftist petty-bourgeois political party.

    The split in 2004 showed this clearly; there were radicals who leaned towards Nader or a hard line against the mainstream bourgeois parties; there were others whose lack of a materialist ethos and/or connection to the Democratic Party’s plethora of non-profits and linked organizations, or at least their ideological orbit, led them to call for a “safe states” strategy (which was still being defined in the last days of the campaign). To many whose goal is not a radical, egalitarian revolution, it makes perfect sense to vote for the lesser evil – what many of them want are “better Dems” rather than wholesale systemic change.

    2004 also showed how immature the political apparatus of the American left and the Greens really is. 100 years ago the Social Democratic parties of Europe had mighty party machines and activists spreading the word – we have barely anything. The GPUS and many people within let their personal emotions get in the way of good politics – which would have been a rapprochement with the only candidate who would have gotten us press, i.e. Ralph Nader. I was personally sickened by the lack of political intuition shown by people who feigned personal pain when they said Ralph didn’t show up to the convention in Milwaukee. Politics has little place for personal pain – successful political leaders and parties have always made the proper choice whether they were personally offended or not. Those who had little stomach for Nader’s so-called snub should have understood the realpolitik of the situation. Of course, this is even without the massive mis-weighting of votes by states that barely have Green organizations in them.

    So 2007 has come around and we are still stuck in the mire as a national organization. We have barely any money, we still haven’t had a major breakthrough at the local level for candidates, let alone state or national. The GPUS apparatus is still mostly a tool for infighting, rather than national coordination. If we are to survive as an organization, or main goals must be: fundraising, building up a national staff, coordinating at least one major, national non-electoral effort (if non-profits can do those, so can we) that will get us on the radar screen, and focusing on winning local elections.

    I am unsure whether we will survive as a national party past 2008. I certainly hope so; there is room in this country for a major, mass-based radical party as conditions within this capitalist mecca are worsening. The worst part is that we’d probably go out, not with a bang, but with a whimper, with the party slowly disassembling itself into state parts and losing relevance outside of scattered areas. I hope, for one, that it doesn’t happen, but I am not entirely optimistic that we can best the challenge that every organization on the American left has faced since the success of the Socialist Party in the early 20th century – keeping infighting from breaking us apart and choosing the correct political path.

  7. Joshua Frank said on September 3rd, 2007 at 4:46pm #

    I don’t think I could dismantle the Green Party even if I wanted to. They seem to be doing pretty well with all of that on their own. I’d certainly like to see it survive and be radicalized this election, but I doubt the current inept leadership (which is the only aspect of the GP I’d like to see dismantled) would ever allow that to happen. That’s really the point. The Greens can only hope Nader chooses to run on their ballot lines in ’08, as it will help the party tremendously. If he doesn’t, the Green machine may be rusting in the portside shallows long before 2009.

  8. m said on September 3rd, 2007 at 5:02pm #

    100 years ago the Social Democratic parties of Europe had mighty party machines and activists spreading the word – we have barely anything.

    This is due in some part to structural differences between our system and theirs. Left influence is highest in those societies that have proportional representation. England, which does not, has a duopoly increasingly like our own. However, it is sobering that , even in societies with relatively more democratic electoral processes, the same unsavory trends that prevail here (increasing income disparities; cuts in social services; xenophobia) are increasingly prominent.

    In the absence of structural reforms like proportional representation and runoff voting, third parties can not hope to be any more than spoilers. Spoiling, by its very nature, can not aim higher than reforming the party its spoilage campaigns target. The Green Party cannot be taken seriously, nor should it, until it makes structural reform the centerpiece of its non-electoral activities and spoilage the center of its electoral campaigns.

  9. Max Shields said on September 3rd, 2007 at 5:42pm #

    What exactly is this article expecting out of a political party?

    No party ever changed the system. This topic is so flawed it’s almost unworthy of the few words I’ve written here.

  10. Ald. Pete Karas said on September 3rd, 2007 at 6:04pm #

    Wait a second here.

    You claim that the Green Party lost “…the ballot lines gained by Ralph Nader’s candidacy of 2000,” in reference to the 2004 nomination going to David Cobb instead of Ralph Nader. As an attendee of that convention, I remember that there were ultimately two choices: David Cobb or No Nominee (Side note: with or without an endorsement of Nader.) The problem. is that Nader was not running as a Green on State ballots. So, if the GP did not have a nominee, then how would they have kept ballot access in those states where they needed a percentage of the presidential vote in order to qualify under those State’s laws???

    As for the 12% figure you quote in the primaries. I guess I missed the footnote that told us how few states had presidential primaries for the GP.

    With “facts” like that, it sure takes the credibility out of anything else written in the article.

  11. Tom Yager said on September 3rd, 2007 at 6:07pm #

    Josh,

    You really ought to talk to Greens besides the most disgruntled and partisan of Nader’s supporters from 2004. It would give you a much better understanding of our party.

    We regained our ballot lines in Massachusetts and Nevada in November 2006, without the help of a Presidential campaign. We petitioned back onto the ballot in Nebraska in early 2006 and kept our ballot line by getting 5% in a statewide race later that year.

    Guess who successfully defended our ballot line in Maine last year? Pat LaMarche. Yes, THAT Pat LaMarche. David Cobb’s running mate. She got nearly 10% of the vote for Governor and probably would have been in Perot territory if Barbara Merrill hadn’t run as an independent.

    Guess who headed the petition drive that got us a ballot line in Illinois last year? Phil Huckleberry. Yes, THAT Phil Huckleberry. The Illinois Greens collected more than 39,000 signatures and fought off a frivolous challenge by the Democrats to keep us off the ballot. Rich Whitney, who was our candidate for Governor, got more than 10% of the vote.

    Phil is a bulldog for our party’s ballot access efforts, and that is one of the reasons why he was the candidates who received the most votes in the Steering Committee election. Watch the Youtube video. Oh, I almost forget. He was a Cobb supporter (sorry, a “Demogreen”), but never supported a safe states strategy.

    “All Murphy had done was publicly oppose his party’s failed leadership.”

    With a series of ad hominem attacks that violated our listserv protocols. By telling us basically that only Nader supporters were fit to be in leadership positions. Somehow only Cobb supporters (sorry, “Demogreens”) can be divisive to you, Josh.

    As for the idea that the Green Party endorses racism because it likes one of Charlotte Fritts’ ideas about community banking, and someone that she has associated with is a racist, I’m not going to dignify that with a reply. Why don’t you visit our website and tell us what is actually wrong with the proposal itself?

    Most Cobb supporters (sorry, “Demogreens”) and Nader supporters are united in their desire to nominate, not endorse, a Presidential candidate next year, and to run an all-out campaign. I don’t understand your insistence on making these ill-infomed attacks on our party, which is the only national progressive alternative to the duopoly.

  12. Joshua Frank said on September 3rd, 2007 at 6:44pm #

    Pete, there is a link for the 12% number.

    Tom, Fitts (not Fritts) is not only associated with Franklin Sanders, they work together. He contracts for her company Solari. You know, the one that was hired to come and talk to the Greens? It was Sanders’ ideas on the topic that later became the proposal.

    As for the proposals I mention. First the “We Will Run” prop seems rather silly. Only the Greens would need a proposal to articulate how the hell they are going to approach a major election. Think if the Dems had to have a proposal to see if they were going to run a candidate in all 50 states. They’d be the laughing stock of DC.

    The Community Banking prop also seems rather inane. But the fact that Sanders and Fitts were behind it should lead one to question why such folks even have influence within the Green Party. Ya’ll needed to have Fitts tell you to pull out money from big banks and put it in local credit unions? It’s just beyond me.

    One final word on Huckelberry. As a resident of Illinois Huckelberry didn’t actually register for a political party when he signed up to vote. You only become a member of a party when you show up to vote in the primaries. Has Huckelberry EVER voted in the Democratic primaries? Perhaps in 2006? I have reason to believe he did, which would actually make Huckelberry a bonafied Democrat.

    Huckelberry, please, say it ain’t so!

  13. Ald. Pete Karas said on September 3rd, 2007 at 6:54pm #

    Thanks you and I stand corrected.

    I see it now and should have followed the link before making my statement. According to the linked statistics, the five primaries took place in California, Massachusetts, New Mexico, Washington DC and Rhode Island.

    I am still curious how ballot access would have been better off for the GP of there was no candidate on the ballot in 2004.

  14. tracy said on September 3rd, 2007 at 7:21pm #

    Critics of Josh Frank: answer his original argument, which is that the Greens need to distance themselves from a strategy of relying on the Democratic Party. The Green Party stands to make real gains this upcoming election season, but only if it can distinguish itself from the pro-war, anti-environment, Bush-assisting Democrats. If you Demogreens think the Democrats can tolerate your presence in their party, I suggest you look at the way Kucinich supporters were treated by the Democrats in 2004. The Democrats want us to do their work of rounding up the disaffected and delivering them on election day. We should want nothing to do with a party that has enabled Bush to carry on wars and destroy our civil liberties.

  15. Tom Yager said on September 3rd, 2007 at 7:25pm #

    “It was Sanders’ ideas on the topic that later became the proposal.”

    So he had a good idea. And getting our troops out of Iraq is a good idea even if David Duke supports it. That doesn’t mean that other opponents of the Iraq war hang out at the Lodge of the Burning Cross.

    “As for the proposals I mention. First the “We Will Run” prop seems rather silly. Only the Greens would need a proposal to articulate how the hell they are going to approach a major election. ”

    Would you rather that we not have formally rejected safe states? Additionally, there were some folks in our party that were talking about the possibility of an endorsement of Nader instead of a nomination. We needed to make it clear that we don’t do endorsements.

    “Has Huckelberry EVER voted in the Democratic primaries? Perhaps in 2006? I have reason to believe he did, which would actually make Huckelberry a bonafied Democrat.”

    Phil has proved his Green credentials many times over, especially with last year’s campaign. He defeated a Democratic challenge to keep his state party’s slate of statewide candidates off the ballot and gave us a model for breaking their challenges in other states. Our Presidential candidate WILL be on the ballot in Illinois next year. If this isn’t enough, I don’t know what is.

  16. Joshua Frank said on September 3rd, 2007 at 8:06pm #

    I think it is great that the Greens plan to be on all the ballots, as I’ve written before, I’d like to see an independent antiwar party (Greens?) focus on the swing states and put as much pressure on the Democrats as possible. I hope Nader decides to go after your nomination, and I hope you succeed in garnering 5% of the vote. I also hope that the current “leadership” doesn’t squander whatever gains are made in ’08.

    Trashing the leadership is much different than trashing the party as a whole. I think there are a lot of good, radical, grassroots Greens out there and I hope they control the direction of the party in the future. However, like Peter LaVenia, I’m just not counting on it.

  17. John Halle said on September 3rd, 2007 at 8:12pm #

    It should come as no surprise that Josh takes a dim view of the Greens for two reasons. The first is that he has plenty of grounds for his assessment-those he provides as well as numerous indications of Green dysfunctionality which those of us who are or have been active in the Greens could supply him with. The second is that Josh, as he has made clear on several occasions, does not believe that attempting to build a party from the bottom up is a waste of time-or in Chomsky’s words “a diversion from serious activism.” So while one shouldn’t ignore them, one should approach Josh’s views on the Greens or other third parties in more or less the same way one views Milton Friedman’s discussion of labor unions.

    That said, I think Peter hit the nail on the head above in noting that the Greens haven’t achieved any electoral breakthroughs and they need to do so for them to become a credible political force.

    The closest we came, in my opinion, was Matt Gonzalez’s near win in SF in 2003. Had Gonzalez become Mayor, there would be no discussion of who the Green Presidential nominee would be this year and while it is hard to know how he would have done, being the only antiwar candidate in a possible four way field would certainly have put him in a strong position.

    As a big city mayor, having roughly the same resume as Giuliani, it would have been very difficult for the networks to marginalize Gonzalez. Nader, in contrast, has by now demonstrated his marginal status, so even if the Greens nominate him, he will be easily ignored and for this reason will do relatively little for the party. Nader’s candidacy will not constitute a breakthrough for the Greens.

    The current possible breakthrough candidacy is that of Cindy Sheehan against Pelosi. Unfortunately for reasons that are unclear to me, Sheehan is not planning on running as a Green. If she were to do so, it would define the Greens as the antiwar party and on this basis begin to attract the hordes of disaffected Democrats who are sickened by the Emanuel-Hoyer-Pelosi triumvirate reflexive capitulations to the right. This influx would more or less quickly dislodge the dysfunctional elements which now hold sway and while it might not be the kind of party readers of DV dream about, it is not unrealistic that as it develops, it could assume roughly the roll of European social democratic parties.

    Unfortunately, this is unlikely to happen and a good part of the explanation is that Sheehan, and others like her, haven’t been exposed to the arguments for running within and for the purpose of developing an insurgent party. These are, at most, relegated to the comments section of obscure blogs like this one.

    Josh’s position on this is, as always, well informed and well argued. But it should be understood that it is in no way “dissident”. It merely reinforces the leftist conventional wisdom, one which has gotten the left where were are, which is, as anyone with open eyes can see, is nowhere.

  18. Deadbeat said on September 3rd, 2007 at 8:36pm #

    The Republican Party did in fact change the “system”. The Republican party was an out growth of the anti-slavery movement. Unfortunately there are so-called “progressive” who are really reactionaries and do not want any kind of radicalism. Radicalism is threatening to their agenda of maintaining elitism and privilege.

    Once again Josh Frank is on the money and expose the Liberals whose real agenda is to prevent “mob rule”. In other words expose how Liberals curtail true democracy and freedom.

  19. Deadbeat said on September 3rd, 2007 at 8:47pm #

    The second is that Josh, as he has made clear on several occasions, does not believe that attempting to build a party from the bottom up is a waste of time

    I think you need to retract that remark. I’ve read numerous articles written by Mr. Frank including his book. His opinions has never reflected the smear you wrote. Mr. Frank, like myself, wants a real challenge to the Democrats and the Green could be that party. Unfortunately their internal rules has permitted various undemocratic processes that permits unrepresentative smaller states to have greater weight than the more populous and active states like California and New York. This weakness and loophole is how the DemoGreens (like Cobb, and Medea Benjamin) took over the party in 2004

  20. Chris Randolph said on September 3rd, 2007 at 9:09pm #

    Interestingly the Green Party of Philadelphia just sent out a email on its “working” list which seeks to eliminate many of the people on that email subscription list. Very secretive. The party’s been around 20 yrs now, has never elected anyone, doesn’t run candidates for most offices and still doesn’t have a functional posting board that’d serve that communication function most easily and transparently.

    I think I’m one of the people targeted for removal as I’ve been critical of expenditure of hundreds of dollars on an anti-racism “workshop” (for Greens!) and local efforts to oppose casinos in the city.

    (Essentially a group of rich Philadelphians who’ve recently invested in newly expensive/inflated real estate in gentrified neighborhoods are opposing the creation of hundreds of service jobs. The casino site near me is owned by African-Americans and Native Americans and has pledged 42% of its profit to programs for poor students. The real estate owners are worried about the sin of proles playing slot machines & – I suspect more importantly – the possibility of their ridiculous investments dropping as much as 4%. Amazingly theyve managed to cast themselves as the “little guys” and the local Greens are supporting them! Way to strike out against job creation and affordable housing, guys! And supporting a referendum that gives churches more rights than other properties to boot! Nice touch!)

    GPOP has also declared this same John Murphy persona non grata (they’ve declared him insane) & has very negative views of me these days. I ran as an independent for Congress here (1st District PA) in 2004 & the party endorsed me as they had no candidate; I had been registered Green for many years but ditched the designation when the Cobb thing happened in favor of aligning myself with Naderites. I was also turned off by their 2nd District candidate in 2006, a recent transplant from rural PA with a criminal record who was going to run in a majority black district by “smoking pot with the brothers”!!! And Murphy’s insane?!

    I’ve told people on the GPOP list many times now that the party is becoming a small PC cult and the SWP or CP of tomorrow; a few people debating angels on the head of the pin while politics passes them by.

  21. John Murphy said on September 3rd, 2007 at 9:27pm #

    I too will defend Josh’s article. I am a Nader Green. I have a suspicion that Ralph would not like that term but I will use it to distinguish myself from the folks who see the Green Party as nothing more than a special interest group within the Democrat Party; the “demogreens”.

    Phil did write one thing that was accurate. The motion finally passed overwhelmingly but only after he allowed almost a month to pass before adopting my amendment and removing the offensive, divisive language. Even safe staters like Pat LaMarche and John Rensenbrink were opposed to the proposal prior to its amendment. We were actually on the verge of opening a real dialogue. Huckelberry’s proposal has reopened a chasm.

    People on both sides of the demogreen-Nader fence begged Phil Huckelberry to accept the amendment but he remained obtuse and waited until seven hours before the proposal came to a vote before accepting the amendment and purging it of the divisive and insulting language. The motion, still irrelevant, was passed just to make it look like there was some kind of unity within our party.

    There was a sense of unity right after Ralph spoke to the delegates in Reading, Pennsylvania. Huckleberry’s divisive, insulting language put an end to that within a few weeks. The demogreens are excellent at squandering the political capital that Nader continues to pour into the Green Party.

    By keeping this divisive and insulting language in the proposal for four weeks he encouraged the national delegates to tear at each other once again; infecting rather than healing the self-inflicted wounds of 2004.

    I want this party to succeed. I will be running for Congress again in 2008. My campaign will bring in 10,000 signatures for a Nader candidacy in Pennsylvania. We anticipate needing close to 60,000 signatures. Without the signatures from my campaign, the Green Party’s presidential candidate will have a very difficult time achieving ballot access in Pennsylvania. Getting 10,000 signatures is no easy task. My campaign volunteers will be stretched to the limit and I will sacrificing my own campaign in order to make sure we regain our lost ballot line by getting Nader on the ballot in Pennsylvania.

    Last week I met with Cynthia McKinney in Wilkes-Barre, PA. We spoke to local leaders of the NAACP. I pointed out how Democratic Party has destroyed the civil rights movement. Congresswoman McKinney urged African Americans to put principle before party. We gained the support of the local NAACP leader. You can read thee newspaper article here: http://www.timesleader.com/news/20070829_29Green_Party_ART.html

    There are those of us in the Green Party who want nothing to do with the Democrat Party while there are those in the party who live in fear of the Democrat Party and actually urge that we do not criticize the Democrat Party. Phil urges such a policy; this is the defining characteristic of the demogreen tendency as opposed to the tendency for a democratic and independent Green Party.

    Phil by no means is alone when it comes to bearing the responsibility for the devastation of 2004. Recently Greg Gerritt has offered to take full responsibility for the debacle! But there are at least a dozen more who should join Phil and Greg in a disgraceful retirement.

    Josh is absolutely correct in asking why the Green Party emulates the practices of the most corrupt corporations by promoting managers responsible for such massive failure. The analogy to a business organization is a good one: lost customers, closed plants, dwindling revenue. These translate nicely into what the demogreens brought about in 2004: 50,000 lost members, two thirds of the states which had ballot lines lost them and now our party’s treasury is empty.

    The people responsible for the strategic failure in 2004, if they are really interested in helping to build the Green Party, should resign. It’s just that simple. There’s nothing personal involved. These people caused a devastating strategic failure. Managers in any other organization, responsible for such devastation, would resign in anticipation of being fired. It is also the honorable thing to do. But I fear that values like honor and responsibility may very well be irrelevant to those responsible for the disaster of 2004 who continue in leadership positions, threatening our party with another disaster after 2008.

    There are also many delegates who are essentially political neophytes, unfamiliar with the most basic concepts of democracy. Fortunately a recent proposal to limit debate and hence eliminate dissension was defeated. When you look at the “yes” versus “no” votes, with few exceptions, they fell right along the demogreen-Nader divide. The Nader Greens voted to keep debate open and free, the demogreens sought to end debate.

    The argument that there are too many posts to the delegates listservs is specious at best since the delegates can choose one of three ways to receive messages. They can receive individual messages, receive the messages in digest form or receive no messages at all and go directly to the website and read them. In this way personal responsibility can be exercised. Big brother is not needed. If a delegate prefers not to read something posted by certain people or if a delegate is not interested in a certain subject, it remains the choice of the individual as to what he or she will read.

    The political neophytes along with the demogreens in the Green Party would willingly turn over their freedom of expression to the arbitrary decision-making of the ubiquitous “forum managers” who have shown nothing but selective enforcement of the rules. There is no reason to limit discussion in cyberspace. This is not the floor of the United States House of Representatives.

    Our brother, Peter LaVenia, from the New York Greens outlines our problem as a political party eloquently when he points out, in his comment above, that our goal has “not been to recruit working class” men and women or to bring about any kind of “radical revolution” but we have been cast into the vacuum created by the absence of a radical revolutionary political party and are now ironically “staffed by middle-class, educated intellectuals and supported by better off educated workers”. Indeed only such a party would have wasted nearly a month talking about a mascot or getting upset about “bad language”.

    The Green Party leadership is rancid with middle-class ideas of right and wrong and, most appallingly, what is politically correct and incorrect. Another New York Green and a delegate to the National Committee referred to these delegates as the “organic hemp’n honey oatmeal-with-soy-milk crowd”.

    So here we are on the verge of the quadrennial election. I’m an officer at the state level and the national level. I’m helping to organize two county level Green Parties which will also become stronger during my 2008 congressional race. I collected 7,000 signatures for my campaign in 2006; I need considerably fewer in 2008 but I have pledged to collect 10,000 signatures for our presidential candidate Ralph Nader. But Josh Frank understandably questions how long it will take the demogreen leaders to squander what we build in 2008.

  22. JamBoi said on September 4th, 2007 at 12:00am #

    Dear Joshua,

    As a leading California Green, GP-US delegate and member of several GP-US committees I’d been reading your previous Green Party coverage w/ openess toward your point of view, but this piece is so far off base it really turns me off of taking you seriously let alone defending your writing to other Greens that had previously been turned off (as I’d been doing before). No more. There’s so many distortions in this piece I wouldn’t know where to begin.

    I’ll just say that it was valuable to have voted affirmatively that we are going to run a candidate in 2008 and it wasn’t about insulting anyone. In order to simply retain our ballot line we are basically compelled by the ballot access laws in many states to do this and rallying everyone with a vote on it was an appropriate thing to do.

    Oh and ‘hard turn to the right???’ WTF??? Total B.S.

    seriously disappointed in your lack of factualness and objectivity,

    JamBoi

  23. Deran said on September 4th, 2007 at 1:10am #

    I think there is a very interesting question no one has asked, at least that I have seen. Why is Cindy Sheehan running for congress in San Francisco as an independent and not a Green? I think her reasoning on that would probably add some light to the concerns Frank brings up.

    Besides the whole problem of the GP leadership, and anti-democratic practice of consensus, there is the is a cultural and political ghetto the GP exists in at present that I can not see another Nader presidential candidacy doing anything to improve?

    I was interested to see the whole discussion framed around Nader or no Nader for the GP in 2008, when the potential candidacy for the GP nomination of former-Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney seems much more likely to be a peace and justice champion that could get the GP out of the political and cultural ghetto it exists in. Like this:

    http://myspace.com/draftmckinney2008

  24. Michael Pugliese said on September 4th, 2007 at 11:29am #

    A while back Counterpunch ran a piece by Kirkpatrick Sale which advocated the Vermont secessionists. In that piece he noted The League of The South. With no indication or warning that these are neo-Confederate Racist scumbags.
    Catherine Austin Fitts has been a long time “9-11 Truth Movement, ” speaker. Methinks that had something to do with why the GPUS would invite her to speak to their convention as the GP grassroots are full of those nutters.

  25. Michael Pugliese said on September 4th, 2007 at 11:56am #

    Unity 08, Martin Zehr is heavily funded by Wall Street brokers., if you do a search at Open Secrets or the FEC website. This was also interesting.
    http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2007/01/31/question-for-unity08-how-do-so-many-live-in-a-po-box/
    1/31/2007
    Question for Unity08: How do So Many Live in a PO Box?
    Filed under Politics, Election 2008, Mysteries, Alternative Parties, unity08 by Jim at 11:46 pm

    [A tip of the pen to Tom, who brought this to my attention.]

    Another question for Unity08:

    In its legally-required 4th Quarter IRS Report, Unity08 lists the following mailing addresses:

    P O Box 12545
    Arlington, VA 22219

    The custodian of records, Daniel J. Radek, also has a listed mailing address of

    P O Box 12545
    Arlington, VA 22219

    Peter G. Peterson of The Blackstone Group, Inc. contributed $5,000 and has a listed mailing address of

    P O Box 12545
    Arlington, VA 22219

    Leon M. Wagner of Goldentree Asset Management contributed $5,000 and has a listed mailing address of

    P O Box 12545
    Arlington, VA 22219

    Glenn Dubin of Highbridge Capital contributed $5,000 and has a listed mailing address of

    P O Box 12545
    Arlington, VA 22219

    Alison Mass Bommarito of Goldman Sachs contributed $5,000 and has a listed mailing address of

    P O Box 12545
    Arlington, VA 22219

    Five more contributors have a listed mailing address of

    P O Box 12545
    Arlington, VA 22219

    Also according to the report, Merchant Banking Services, American Express, Beehive Marketing, Verizon, Kinkennon Communications, TigerTel, and Manning also have mailing addresses of

    P O Box 12545
    Arlington, VA 22219

  26. John Murphy said on September 4th, 2007 at 12:49pm #

    I can answer a few of the questions raised in some of the comments.

    The easiest one is about Cindy Sheehan. The reason Ms. Sheehan cannot run as a Green has to do with California law. In order for Cindy to run as a Green in 2008 she would have had to register as a member of the Green Party in May of 2007. Since she was not registered as a Green in May, she must run as an independent. Speculation is running high however that the California Greens will endorse her.

    The reason why Nader is the favored Presidential candidate (check out this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpJmPmsZaME ) with Cynthia McKinney running as vice president is because such a combination would almost assuredly gain us 5% of the vote. That is the critical percentage needed in order to receive federal matching funds for our 2012 presidential campaign. Ralph Nader is the only candidate who could possibly get us that 5% and 2008 is the year we can do it.

    Furthermore we only have an uncontested ballot line in 19 states. We have the ballot line in New York but 15,000 challengeable signatures are required to secure it and the Democrat Party has vowed to do to us in every other state what they did to us in Pennsylvania in 2006 — prevent our candidates from running for office by challenging their signatures and tying them up in court and then placing financial penalties on our candidates for daring to run.

    In the remaining 30 states we do not have the ballot line at all. In some of those states we have almost no organization. Only Nader has the capability of putting together the required organization in those states in order to get on the ballot as he did in 1996, 2000 and again as an independent in 2004.

    Ralph Nader also has the capability of raising funds — considerable funds — at the national level. Cynthia McKinney would add a dimension that the Green Party really needs. We really need to reach out to African-Americans whose votes have been taken for granted by the Democrat Party and yet for whom the Democrat Party has done nothing except destroy the civil rights movement. We cannot remain a party of middle-class white folks whose genteel sensibilities are affronted by naughty words.

    One of the other people who wrote a comment says he/she is a leading Green in California and a National Delegate. This is, indeed, tragic because it shows that one of our National Delegates does not understand one of the most important resolutions passed in the last year: Resolution 218. This resolution entitled “To Pose Challenge To Two-Party System” requires that we run “full out” in all states possible http://gp.org/cgi-bin/vote/propdetail?pid=218 . This is why the nonbinding proposal called 305 (“We Will Run”) was unnecessary and irrelevant.

    Something like the “We Will Run” proposal would have been better made as an announcement to the press when they were present in Reading, Pennsylvania at Ralph Nader’s presentation. The press came for Nader; they did not come to report on the actions of the Green Party leaders — mercifully. They were not there to see our bearded, braided, barefooted delegates dressed in bizarre costumes and in, what I have been told, is called “alternative dress”.

    Business meetings in any organization require a minimum standard of professional attire usually, these days, simply called “business casual”. Had the press seem some of our costumed delegates we would have been deemed even more cult-like than we have already been characterized.

    And I don’t even want to talk about the “twinkling” business! God, talk about bourgeois middle class white people! You ain’t seen nothing till you’ve seen the Green delegates “twinkling”. I can’t tell you what that is because every time I even talk about it the ghost of Johnny Cash haunts my sleep. (If you know what twinkling is and you’re a man, try imagining Johnny Cash “twinkling”.) Fortunately, having been raised on the streets of North Philadelphia and educated by Jesuits, “twinkling” is morally impossible for me to perform.

    The “We Will Run” proposal was nothing more than another demagogic effort on the part of PHuckelberry at self-aggrandizement. Phil would have us believe that he is a great “uniter”. In fact the only thing Phil wants us to unite behind is the Democrat Party. Many of us still recall the day he jumped to his feet at the national convention in Tulsa in 2005 and began screaming, his more typical mode of communication, “I did not join the Green Party to fight the Democrats”.

    Phil pretty much reveals himself to us in the comment he made above referring to the article as “typical hack journalism from a man whose lack of journalistic standards would make FOX blush”. Instead of a reasoned argument, he delivers an ad hominem attack indicating once again his sensitivity to criticism and his inability to take responsibility for what he has done to the Green Party. He then takes a passive aggressive shot at the author, Josh Frank, by referring to him as “Joshy”! But even more telling is that Phil thinks the article is about him; kind of reminds me of the old song by Carly Simon: “You’re So Vain”.

    So here we have an officer who is incapable of dealing with criticism, incapable of taking responsibility, incapable of formulating a meaningful proposal, incapable of taking a stand against the Democrat Party and who just voted to limit debate and thereby virtually forbid dissent in the National Committee and he’s still an officer! No wonder why so many of us dread what will begin to unfold on November 12, 2008!

    One piece of good news we just received however is that Steve Kramer, another one of the “lesser evil greens” has resigned as a delegate. He was also on our steering committee! Now if we can only get GGerritt and PHucklrberry to do the right thing we will be going in the right direction. Once we are free of the officers responsible for the disaster of 2004 we can look forward to organizing a strong, radically progressive, alternative political party for working men and women in America.

  27. Robert B. Livingston said on September 4th, 2007 at 12:52pm #

    Peter Camejo, who embodies all that was best in the Green Party, often said that activist movements arrive in cycles. When so many are opposed to the direction our country has taken “in our name,” where is the Green Party now?

    We keep looking for a pulse. Some feel it and some don’t.

    More people today know for certain that the Democratic Party leadership continues to fail them. Barbara Lee, representative of the best Democrats, advocated in today’s San Francisco Chronicle for “troop redeployment” from Iraq. We know what that means: the corrupt system wants its bloody cake and to eat it too.

    The Green Party needs to tap into the widely felt disaffection more Americans feel for its government, but it has failed to clearly enunciate a relevant and believable alternative agenda. That is a failure of leadership. The politically homeless, ready to grasp at almost any straw that offers them hope, are looking elsewhere and are ripe for demagogues.

    This is a shame because we still have good leaders among us who know exactly what to strive for. However, they are hobbled for lack of money, publicity, support, and unity.

    I don’t see Ralph Nader running for president in 2008, although I would endorse the effort if no one else rose to represent what I believe in. In 2004, he carried the torch of opposition to war and a political system that subordinates human beings to profit. With the publication of his book, The Seventeen Traditions, and his semi-canonization by the film An Unreasonable Man, it appears to me that he himself recognizes the need to wind down and pass the torch forward.

    But to who?

    For me, that is clearly Cynthia McKinney who expresses all that is best in courageous, capable and honest leadership. I sincerely hope that Nader and his supporters work to put a spotlight on her and encourage her to build a new party of independents and voiceless who will truly challenge, not just influence, the duopoly that controls now. I hope that they lend her their years of experience and expertise, and trust her judgment and conviction to do what is right. Greens can be proud to be called Green if they supported her. Good-hearted Democrats should defect to support her.

    For many, McKinney is an unknown variable, and smart politicians often prefer hard evidence and data before committing to a course of action. That will always be a mistake if they disregard the end by the means.

    The most disregarded variable by the Green Party since the Milwaukee Convention (which put it on life-support) is Soul Power.

    You cannot measure it, but you are a fool if you cannot recognize it. It is the difference between Brillo Boxes and Guernica, Aqualung and Melissa, Cobb and Nader.

    Cindy Sheehan has it. Cynthia McKinney has it. Who else?

    We should work as one.

  28. Max Shields said on September 4th, 2007 at 5:35pm #

    Deadbeat

    Radicalism is a pathology; the consequence of human needs not being met. It is not a state for which one strives – except if one is looking to achieve a permanent state of pathology.

    So, when Mr. Frank wants a party to be radicalized he is embarking on a delusion – first an American political party is by its very nature a creature of the exiting system, thus it works within the structure of that system. And as such it is only grass-roots activists movements (which are not political partisans) which are radicalized by an environment which is not capable or willing to meet fundamental human needs of one sort or another.

    Once again, if Joshua is looking for a radical party he is under a grand illusion. The desire for social, economic and political transformation must come form collapse followed by cultural value transformation; not a party.

    The Green Party is still in search of a political identity which some have fashioned around its first legitimate presidential candidate – Ralph Nader (ala Bull Moose/Teddy Roosevelt). Though I’m a Nader fan, it is a big mistake for a party to be dominated by one personality – there just aint no longevity in that. The Green 10 values is a reasonable framework but the party will go through its own transformation as it finds a way to represent a constituency – perhaps once a real grass movement is in place that the Party can latch onto rather than an personality (however good that person’s ideas are). So, I see discontent within the party as healthy to a point.

  29. Michael Pugliese said on September 4th, 2007 at 6:12pm #

    Massachusetts Green-Rainbow Party homophobia,
    http://www.somervillemejustice.com/marriage.html via
    http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archive/2007/08/the-green-islamist-racist-convention/
    >…MARRIAGE

    History has always had a soft spot for the political couple: Anthony and Cleopatra, Bill and Hillary, and, of course, that odd-couple of American political consulting James Carville and Mary Matalin. Yet what is one to make of the oddest couple of all: Joachim Martillo (a.k.a. Juan Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami) and Karin Friedemann (a.k.a. Karin Maria Friedemann-Hussain, a.k.a. Maria Hussain).

    The name Karin Friedemann (without the aliases) may ring a bell to readers of the Somerville Journal. On May 5, she wrote a standout letter to the editor supporting divestment that included the following gem:

    “Soon after the governor of New Jersey invested all of his state employees’ 401K plans in Israel, it was revealed that the governor was being poked from behind by an Israeli agent.”

    For anyone unfamiliar with the reference, Friedemann was talking about the former governor of New Jersey, James McGreevey, who recently resigned due to a scandal involving his closeted homosexuality. The 401K accusation is total nonsense, and simply used as a hook for a homophobic slur directed at McGreevey’s male lover (who was Israeli).

    Lest anyone think Friedemann’s anti-gay crack was an inadvertent slip of the tongue, here is what this outspoken woman and convert to Islam (under one of her many pseudonyms Maria Hussain) had to say about Islam, feminism and homosexuality in an article entitled “Observations on the Palestinian Solidarity Conference”:

    “Muslims … are not seeking peace. We get peace from Allah. In Palestine, we will stop only at victory, which will be, inshaAllah, in the end, a just implementation of Islamic religion. We have to guard against the Palestine movement being represented primarily by homosexuals and feminists.”

    Karin/Maria’s involvement in the Somerville Divestment Project has been both clear and long term. In an October, 2004 communication with her comrades, Freiedmann/Hussain was in a near panic when the city’s aldermen decided to make the SDP’s activities known to the public:

    “the remaining Alderman threw us for a loop by insisting that ‘the other side’ be allowed to speak … before letting the vote go through”

    Needless to say, her fear was justified given how their movement shriveled to dust once it’s activities was exposed to the light of truth

    If Friedemann/Hussain, whose writing appears on various Islamist and anti-Jewish Web sites (including former KKK head David Duke’s white supremacist publication WhiteCivilRights.org) is a strange one, she has nothing on al Jezeera’s favorite “scholar” of Jewish history and anthropology, Joachim Martillo.

  30. Michael Pugliese said on September 4th, 2007 at 6:14pm #

    Lest anyone think Friedemann’s anti-gay crack was an inadvertent slip of the tongue, here is what this outspoken woman and convert to Islam (under one of her many pseudonyms Maria Hussain) had to say about Islam, feminism and homosexuality in an article entitled “Observations on the Palestinian Solidarity Conference”:

    “Muslims … are not seeking peace. We get peace from Allah. In Palestine, we will stop only at victory, which will be, inshaAllah, in the end, a just implementation of Islamic religion. We have to guard against the Palestine movement being represented primarily by homosexuals and feminists.” …

  31. Rob Savidge said on September 4th, 2007 at 6:33pm #

    Joshua, although I’m with you when it comes to fighting for more democracy and independence in the Green Party (GP), I think you’re quite a bit off with your latest article. You have really oversimplified things, and have taken to crafting straw man arguments, where you deliberately misrepresent individuals’ and the Green Party’s positions so that they can be attacked more easily. For example, you do this when talking about our voting procedures. If you go to our bylaws (http://www.gp.org/documents/bylaws.shtml), you can see that we do not use consensus, but a modified consensus, where if we do not reach consensus, we take a majority vote, unless it deals with a bylaw change, which requires 2/3rds majority. So when you stated the erroneous claim that “The Green leaders believe in minority rule instead of majority rule,” you are being completely inaccurate. In addition, I’m sure that most greens would vehemently disagree with your statement.

    Another example of your straw man argument is this: In terms of the delegates list serv, I believe what they voted on (which I believe was voted down) was to limit people to one post per day per discussion/vote. That’s different than what you put forward as the proposal, which was simply 1 post per day per person. However, I do agree with you that the delegates should use something like a blog format or forum to help facilitate discussions.

    A third example is when you portray the “moving the money from wall street to main street” proposal as a done deal by saying “the GP is about to adopt…”, when that indicates to me that our delegates haven’t actually voted on it. I’m not sure how the vote turned out, but I’m sure most greens would vote against it if they knew the information you presented. But it doesn’t help things when you make it sound like this proposal is a done deal. Again, that’s just misrepresenting our position to suit your argument. In my opinion, that’s unethical.

    You are further building your straw man argument when you over-generalize and call people ‘Demogreens.” It’s the same kind of false argument that some GDI greens (whom I associated with)made around the 2004 election. They painted this erroneous black and white picture where there were only cobbites and naderites, or in this case real Greens and Demogreens, and anyone who was against Nader was chided as a lesser evilist, safe stater, Democrat-supporter. That is false. I made an argument against this when I wrote to the International Socialist Review a while ago, defending Huckleberry who has a history fighting against Democrats who were trying to take away Green ballot access, yet whom many claimed was a “Cobbite” or now a ‘Demogreen’ just because he supported Cobb. From talking to people who know him (sorry Huckleberry if I’m misrepresenting your views), he didn’t vote for Cobb and speak against Nader because he agreed with safe states or the Democrats, he did so because he’s what I like to call a sectarian Green—someone who only wants to run green candidates. That’s a different political argument than those who were supporting Cobb due to an agreement with safe states and an affinity with the Democrats. I don’t think you should be grouping these sectarian Greens in with the Demogreens.

    A final example of your straw man argument involves you propping John Murphy up as some martyr who was shut out of the GP listserv because he challenged the GP leadership. You claim that “All Murphy had done was publicly oppose his party’s failed leadership.” If it is indeed true that he was banned because he did that, than that’s a problem; however, I highly doubt it is the truth, because I’ve dealt with John Murphy in the past on list servs. What the most likely scenario is, is that Murphy degenerated into some sort of juvenile, insulting, or unprofessional postings. Here’s an example of one of Murphy’s past postings to a Maryland Green Party listserv (which may be amusing, but isn’t productive to a political discussion):

    “You are just incredibly stupid. Stupid as a stone that the other stones make fun of. So stupid that you have traveled far beyond stupid as we know it and into a new dimension of stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid cubed. Trans-stupid stupid. Stupid collapsed to a singularity where even the stupons have collapsed into stuponium. Stupid so dense that no intelligence can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot summer day on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one minute than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. It cannot be possible that anything in our universe can really be this stupid. You are a primordial fragment from the original big stupid bang. A pure extract of stupid with absolute stupid purity. Stupid beyond the laws of nature……..”

    So in conclusion, I think you do raise some valid concerns, but you obviously started writing this article with a conclusion in mind that the Greens are going down the tubes. You then manipulated the facts just to suit your argument. You are not being fair and accurate when you do that, nor are you being ethical. There is indeed a battle going on in the Green Party over strategies and tactics, as there are in most political organizations; however, you are doing the GDI cause a disservice when you are misrepresenting its actual position, ignoring the root political disagreements, and crafting your straw man arguments.

    -Rob Savidge
    Maryland Green Party

  32. MartinZehr said on September 4th, 2007 at 6:54pm #

    To Michael Pugliese,

    Thanks buddy for the financial report. It doesn’t surprise me about the funding of Unity ’08, but until someone begins to construct a valid opposition force with financial assets, viable candidates and real proposals for change this discussion will produce no sound alternative to symbolic opposition and moral statements without mass engagement. I do not expect a Bloomberg to be looking for the endorsement of a Chomsky, but I do see him daring the waters of change in NYC with the congestion tax.

    Joshua Frank has the luxury of sitting on the sidelines and taking potshots at everyone. Most ordinary Americans pay a price for their vote and who they support. If some of us look to options outside the two-party system that do not pass a given litmus test, just remember we
    can only choose from the choices that we have.

    You know I’ve been a Green for a long time. I have voted for Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Greens and others. If we want to win, we need to organize like we want to win and stop putting handcuffs on the candidates that we support.

  33. Cameron Wigmore said on September 4th, 2007 at 7:27pm #

    This sounds more like a hostile and misdirected attack than an insightful observation. If you want to come across as credible and have your points and criticisms digested by the reader, please do away with the word theatrics and paragraph headers that read like a tabloid paper.

    This author should be helping the Green Party, IMHO. Is Joshua a part of the problem or a part of the solution? I see little in the way of constructive ideas, or positive insight from him.

    On what might kill the Green Party, I’d think it might be the ridiculously restrictive legislation in the USA that stifles Third Party candidates or Independents from getting on the ballot or even being able to present themselves as an option to voters.

  34. Cameron Wigmore said on September 4th, 2007 at 7:33pm #

    I’d like to add that I greatly enjoyed reading the comments here. Thanks everyone!

  35. Joshua Frank said on September 4th, 2007 at 9:57pm #

    Martin, just because I am not a Green doesn’t mean I am on the sidelines. Activism has no party. I hear the same arguments from Democrats when anyone dares call them out on their lack of tenacity. Sadly some Greens here are taking the same approach. With such logic, how is a non-Republican ever to critique the Bushites?

    Rob, as to the Consensus model, the bylaws read:

    For Committees:

    “use consensus-seeking procedure with backup voting for all decision making, and codify the procedure in their RP&Ps.”

    For the Steering Committee:

    “Although consensus decision making on the yearly organizational structure of the SC (Steering Committee) is preferable, the SC may if necessary, by 2/3 vote, initiate a different organizational structure at the time of each yearly post-election organization. The SC may also alter the organizational scheme at any time by consensus, or 2/3 vote if consensus is not achieved.”

    That’s NOT a democratic approach. That is a minority rule as I noted. 35% can overrule 65% on the SC. For regular committees consensus is still used.

    My conclusion, despite how folks would like to spin it, is quite simple: Nader is likely to run as a Green next year and the GP has to start planning NOW for post election 2008. If Nader can pull some support your way — be they ballot lines, money, volunteers — what is the GP going to do with it all? Blow their wad again?!

    Given the same leadership that squandered the gains of 2000 is still running the show, how can one assume these guys won’t make the exact mistakes all over again?

    What’s really sad is that there does not seem to be many Greens asking these questions. My hope is that if Nader does run as a Green, that non-Green antiwar voters – the majority of folks who will come out to support and work for his candidacy – realize that they are also helping out a party that is at almost all levels (except perhaps at the grassroots, if there is such a thing in the GP), strategically inept.

  36. Mailie La Zarr said on September 5th, 2007 at 3:19am #

    I just wanted to say that Catherine Austin Fitts was a respected and
    frequent guest on a Pacifica program called “Flashpoints” for years.
    Fired for uncovering $3.4 trillion of US government accounts fraud, she often spoke about the long arms of DynCorp and such.
    I have no idea what her current status is or how she got mixed up
    with racists. But I hardly think that those who have had questions
    about 9/11 and doubts about how much was info was given to the
    public deserve to all be painted as nutcases.

    Otherwise, I’d say that Joshua’s article and the Nader Greens are
    on the right track as usual. As they frequently point out, the
    party has big flaws that need fixing before success can be achieved.
    Not the least of which is suppression of dissent.

  37. gerald spezio said on September 5th, 2007 at 6:21am #

    All of this is bizarre and then some.

    Josh’s serious comments about the so-called “League of the South” with its phantasmagoric platform is absurdly far fetched, and should be a flapping red flag. It contaminates everything! If you believe this, you will believe anything. Typing about it is intellectual masturbation Talk about pissing away your precious brain cells.

    Piasano Pugliese, if that is your real name?
    You insult our intelligence with such obvious convoluted anti-Muslim bullshit. Homophobic, nose picking, lady killing, clitoris slashing fuggin Arab bastards with-all-the-oil.
    You are typing for the Israel LOBBY, no es verdad?.

    That there is Israeli double talk, and Israeli triple talk, in the age of peeyar dis-information should be our first axiom.

    Here is Israel First journalist, Tom Friedman, of the “objective” NY Times pitching the co-opting GEO-GREEN concept. http://www.energybulletin.net/17391.html
    Even ENERGY BULLETIN where the Friedman/whore’s piece was picked up is another blatant “front” for the anti-Arab oil independence movement by the Lobby.

    If you were the Israel First yuppie peeyar flack, you wouldn’t be smart enough to play this childish flak on the schmuckery? What are you trained and paid to do?

    See trained peeyar journalist, Tom Friedman, nodding about the depth of Israel’s concern for American independence from ARAB OIL;
    http://setamericafree.org/
    Click the vid of big bucks yuppie lawyer and Israel Firster, James Woolsey, working over the schmuckery for the Lobby as he pleads for independence from filthy Arab oil for the Lobby. James wants to tell you.

    Again, The Israel murder machine murders on in Palestine, Lebanon, and Iraq. Hundreds of thousands are dead and dying. The Chosen People are laughing their arses off. They even have some of the schmuckery typing about the return of slavers with whips, homophobic women beating Arabs, Israeli angels, and all manner of ghosts.

  38. Mailie La Zarr said on September 5th, 2007 at 10:41am #

    Sorry Gerald but The League Of The South and various other secessionist groups may be bizarre, but they are quite real.
    Check it out on the web. Whatever their endgame is, some
    of them have indeed been trying to get involved with the
    Green Party. They are fond of putting down the 10 KV and
    the 4 Pillars. Since one of them put out a plan to “hollow out”
    his state government with secessionists, I think I can safely assume
    they intend the same for the Green Party …. though they would
    hardly be the only ones trying that.

  39. Michal said on September 5th, 2007 at 10:48am #

    Sitting here waiting for an important phone call, I’m reading this interesting exchange of opinion, vitriol, hope, humour and despair all resulting from an article by someone I thought was once a Green helping to build the party but now just seems to be full of sour grapes and a back seat driver!! Don’t get me wrong- I love reading Dissident Voice, Josh. Clearly you’re an ardent Nader supporter and advocate for Nader in ‘08 but what’s not clear to me is whether he intends to run, and two, for Nader to run as a Green, wouldn’t it be kinda nice if he considered himself a Green? Putting the nails in the coffin of the party you hope will be the disciples of the candidate you champion is a bit premature, don’t you think?

    And John Murphy, first thanks for sending out the link to this but frankly I’m confused by your stereotypical descriptions of us Greens:
    First you castigate us as being “ a party of middle-class white folks whose genteel sensibilities are affronted by naughty words,” and go on to say
    “The Green Party leadership is rancid with middle-class ideas of right and wrong and, most appallingly, what is politically correct and incorrect. Another New York Green and a delegate to the National Committee referred to these delegates as the “organic hemp’n honey oatmeal-with-soy-milk crowd.” Then later you characterize the gathered Greens as “our bearded, braided, barefooted delegates dressed in bizarre costumes and in, what I have been told, is called “alternative dress”.

    I almost feel sorry for you though when you say,
    “And I don’t even want to talk about the “twinkling” business! God, talk about bourgeois middle class white people! You ain’t seen nothing till you’ve seen the Green delegates “twinkling”. I can’t tell you what that is because every time I even talk about it the ghost of Johnny Cash haunts my sleep. (If you know what twinkling is and you’re a man, try imagining Johnny Cash “twinkling”.)

    By now I’m almost laughing . . . and I thought we were a party trying to get past stereotypes!
    You know, as a woman dangerously close to middle-class who eats organic hemp’n honey oatmeal and soy milk and who actually dresses in Chico’s clearance rack to our national meetings, what of it? What’s wrong with middle class people in our party? What’s wrong with organic? What’s wrong with diversity? If a person of color wears braids, goes barefoot, and has a unique costume we welcome them- if a middle-class white guy does the same, we run him out? Who are you referring to as bourgeois?

    Frankly too, I found twinkling very disconcerting at first as well, but when you think about it, twinkling eliminates the annoying instance of not hearing half of what a person says when supporters insist on clapping over their words. If we’re all thinking “what? what?” and the person acting as recording secretary has us drafting Vader instead of Nader, well, then we’re clearly in for more infighting.

    I wrote alot more but let me just say, we CAN get along and BUILD this party if we would put aside our egos and put on a sense of humor –
    braids optional.

  40. gerald spezio said on September 5th, 2007 at 12:29pm #

    Mailie La Zarr; I would suggest that it is mandatory to conserve intellectual and investigatory resources without losing sight of the goalposts.
    For example; When investigating an elderly spinsters apparent murder (large knife in the chest, blood everywhere), it would be wise and prudent NOT to look for space aliens – although “what looks like” space alien footprints are apparent everywhere.

    The Lobby is super slick, super powerful, super funded, and knows that this is a no-holds-barred fight to the death.

  41. Fred Jakobcic said on September 5th, 2007 at 2:17pm #

    Regardless of the road-blocks put in place, by the duopoly, to prevent a Third Party or Third Parties from becoming viable options to the duopoloy, the biggest handicap to Third Parties becoming viable are themselve and their egos and their particular platforms. One must vote and elect Third Party candidates where and whenever possible, get them elected, then work out the differences after the fact. To try to comprise and work otu difference before anybody is elected and before a Third Party becomes strong enough to challenge the two major parties is suicidal and a sure sign of egoism. We must unite…keeping Third Parties in this fractured state only aides them not us.

  42. Mailie La Zarr said on September 5th, 2007 at 6:10pm #

    Gerald,

    Since you are not specific, would I be right to guess that
    you refer to the Zionist lobby? For someone who gripes
    about getting sidetracked on silly routes, I hope you are
    not one of those who proclaim that the Jewish folks,
    Catholics, Satanists, or the Illuminati run everything.

    There are many players and some in thick with each other,
    but I would not put any one bunch down as single handedly
    trying to kill off a small struggling group.

  43. Binh said on September 6th, 2007 at 1:37pm #

    Why don’t the Nader Greens or left Greens or whatever you want to call them secede and form a new, better, if smaller (at first) Green Party? I’m not sure I understand the rationale behind staying in a party where the (right-wing) leadership does all kinds of nasty undemocratic —- to prevent the party from moving to the left.

    My dream ticket for ’08 was Sheehan and Camejo, but Sheehan’s got other plans and Camejo is ill. And so are the Greens, unfortunately.

    I’m waiting for a Cobb Green to start telling us why we should hold our noses and vote for Hillary Bomb Iran Clinton or Barak Attack Pakistan Obama. Don’t disappoint me!

  44. Tom Yager said on September 6th, 2007 at 6:29pm #

    “Given the same leadership that squandered the gains of 2000 is still running the show, how can one assume these guys won’t make the exact mistakes all over again?”

    Who is this leadership and how do you figure that the gains of 2000 were squandered? If you want the Cobb supporters to be out of leadership positions, the Nader supporters would have to join them. The 2004 split was partially attributable to Nader’s decision to run as an independent and seek an endorsement instead of the nomination. In several states, running two parallel petition drives resulted in neither candidate getting on the ballot. Nader ended up 0.4% of the vote, which was better than Cobb, but a pale shadow of 2000. In addition to the split in the party, both Cobb and Nader were hurt by ABB, which was out of the control of either candidate.

    We have as many ballot lines now as we did in 2002, and considerably more registered Greens. Although our registration declined modestly in 2005 and 2006, so did that of most other parties. Registration was in a long-term decline in states that included New Mexico and Oregon before the 2004 campaign. California’s registration has declined because of state party infighting that goes beyond Cobb vs. Nader.

    I agree that 80% is too high a threshold for making a major decision, and that the Greens have other problems such as an obsession with process. I’ve seen too much time at Green meetings wasted on upchuck like picking apart the minutes from previous meetings.

    However, it’s unfair to attack the party as being captive to the Democrats based on one campaign strategy for one office in one year. Most of the so-called “Demogreens” are fighting the Democrats just as hard as Nader supporters do. I wish that Josh and his pals at Counterpunch would recognize this. The Greens have been mostly ignored by their natural allies in the progressive media, and we’re not being helped by getting only negative articles printed about us.

  45. Dissident Voice : The Green Implosion Continues said on September 7th, 2007 at 4:59am #

    […] the Democrats. They are instead preparing to cyberlynch John Murphy, the delegate from Pennsylvania that I wrote about in a column earlier this […]

  46. John Murphy said on September 7th, 2007 at 5:57am #

    Reply to Tom Yager

    Tom Yager said on September 6th, 2007 at 6:29 pm #

    “Given the same leadership that squandered the gains of 2000 is still running the show, how can one assume these guys won’t make the exact mistakes all over again?”

    Who is this leadership

    The following 2004 Cobbites/Safe Staters hold the following positions: Greg Gerritt, still chair of the PCSC, despite having admitted that in 2004 he allowed his belief that the Greens should pull dramatically back in 2004 to guide the recommendations he made to candidates.

    Phil Huckelberry, who is now a co-chair of GPUS instead of with Greg in the “strategists who failed spectacularly” retirement home. Scott McLarty, who is still “media director” despite having been the media director who attracted no media in 2004, and has attracted none since.

    Jody Haug, who managed to extend her SC term limit by being switched to Treasurer, a position for which she had no qualifications, and in the course of which narrowly avoided a significant ethics violation only due to last-minute intervention by a concerned person outside the party.

    Jody Grage, second time, for being co-chair of Fin Com, yet GPUS is still bankrupt, and no reorganization plan to emerge has been undertaken. Jody Haug, third time, for being chair of Fundraising, and no major changes or innovations are coming from there to create any faith that GPUS will ever emerge from bankruptcy.

    Brent McMillan, still our paid Political Director despite having the number of Green candidacies, the number of Green victories, Green ballot lines, the total numbers and percentages of votes received by Green candidates, and national Green enrollment having declined anywhere between spectacularly and merely substantially in each year he has held that position.

    Greg Gerritt (failings already described) and Nan Garrett (don’t even get me started) chairing the Coordinated Campaign Committee, despite the same set of failings just listed for Brent McMillan, all under the direct auspices of that committee.

    Julia Willebrand, still co-chair of the International Committee, despite having failed to follow her own bylaws and seek the input of international Green Parties when GPUS proposals could have an impact on them.

    Howard Switzer (and after his recent banking proposal, and the people he consorted with to develop it, this is particularly bizarre) heads the Platform Committee.

    Jim Coplen, who is one of the roughly 12 people who are Green in Indiana after all his hard work, is on the Steering Committee. So is Holly Hart. There’s more, but I can’t have possibly failed to make my point by now. GPUS and its course for 2008, from an administrative standpoint, is under total lock-down. The only hope for change would be if the grassroots could find some way, perhaps through state-administered primaries in the larger states, to exert themselves over the will of the overwhelming majority of the key party position-holders.
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    “and how do you figure that the gains of 2000 were squandered?”

    I mean that most literally. The national vote totals fell from 2.8 million to 119,000, the single largest third-party reversal for a party that actually fielded a candidate in two consecutive elections, in American history. We only got on 6 state ballot lines beyond the 22 that still existed in 2004, and appeared on just 28, instead of 2004’s 46, lines.

    We fell from first to fourth amongst third parties, lost half our ballot lines (which made it impossible thereafter to mount state and local candidacies in those states), saw enrollment fall by thousands (and it continues to fall, except in Maine, so don’t butt in, Maine, it’s falling). Numerous state parties saw what had been their entire membership, and voting base, completely obliterated. All the money disappeared. We repeatedly contracted, cut staff, expenses, found cheaper office space, made repeated appeals, but kept losing money to the point of bankruptcy. And without one key donor, the party would have been closed a year ago. I don’t know what definition of “squandered” you use, but I’m using the standard one.
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    “If you want the Cobb supporters to be out of leadership positions, the Nader supporters would have to join them. The 2004 split was partially attributable to Nader’s decision to run as an independent and seek an endorsement instead of the nomination.”

    You’re joking, right? This is not a chicken-egg scenario. As has been amply documented, self-appointed Green “leaders” met with Ralph to tell him he shouldn’t run, and that his path to the nomination, as well as his strategy of running all-out, was seriously obstructed should he choose to ignore that advice. His letter announcing his withdrawal from consideration for the GPUS nomination came after that.

    Incredibly, one of the most passionate self-appointed spokespersons in this situation, Pat LaMarche, who openly opposed ANY Green from running in 2004, somehow became the 2004 VP candidate, something that plainly could not have occurred had Ralph pursued the GPUS nomination. Hmmmmm. So how, exactly, to the Nader supporters, who were not part of these communications, and had their preferred candidate driven away from them by self-appointed powers beyond their control, be equally culpable for the aftermath? I don’t know what definition of logic you use, but I use the standard one.
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    “In several states, running two parallel petition drives resulted in neither candidate getting on the ballot. ”

    That did not happen for that reason in any state. Cobb was not dealing with one iota of opposition from Democrats, while Nader was facing their 20 million dollar ballot-challenge war chest. In most states where both petitioned, Nader got on, and Cobb did not. But even if we were to allow, for the sake of discussion, that the two candidates would be petitioning in the same pool, that was something the geniuses who were backing Cobb were responsible to have considered, since Ralph made it clear he’d run without the Green Party well before the GPUS nominating process got rolling. Just another reason why I don’t understand how they all got promoted and solidified their control over most GPUS leadership positions.
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    “Nader ended up 0.4% of the vote, which was better than Cobb, but a pale shadow of 2000. In addition to the split in the party, both Cobb and Nader were hurt by ABB, which was out of the control of either candidate. ”

    Yes, and his number was still four times what Cobb got, still came in third, not sixth, and was still first, not fourth, amongst third-party candidates, all of which, despite the clear impact of ABB, would have left the Green Party in the exact same national position it was in after 2000.

    Imagine what might have happened had Nader been the Green candidate — he’d have started with 24 existing ballot lines from which the Democrats could not have disqualified him, would have used his bigger budget (and name recognition to attract more) to get a lot more than the four additional lines Cobb got, and would have undoubtedly gotten a lot more on top of his ultimate total than just the extra 119,000 amassed by the Cobb team. As much as 2000? Of course not. But GPUS would have still been Number One, instead of Number Four behind the religious fanatics of the Constitution Party, and that would have been a much better position from which to move forward than from wherever the Cobb team left us (broke, reduced in membership, crushed at the ballot booth, and strategically adrift).
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    ”We have as many ballot lines now as we did in 2002, and considerably more registered Greens.”

    That is not true. We have considerably fewer registered Greens. Probably around 20 thousand fewer, but it would take awhile to go state–by-state, since GPUS conveniently stopped compiling its annual registration numbers in 2004. But pulling two easy examples, California had 157,000 Greens in 2002, and only has 138,000 now, a 12% decline. Green-Rainbow fell from 9500 to 7500, a 21% decline.

    And even bringing up 2002 is specious. Post-“spoiling,” all the way beyond 2002 and into the middle of 2004, the Green Party continued to grow in leaps and bounds by every measurable criterion (see the list of those criteria above, under the failings of McMillan, Gerritt, and Garrett). Membership was much higher in 2004 than in 2002, even though liberals were being brow-beaten to blame the Greens for everything starting in November, 2000. After late 2004, everything fell apart. What the Democrats and the media couldn’t do to us in four years, we did to ourselves in four months by withdrawing from the national scene and leading with a gang of idiots who tripped over themselves to assist the initial party raiders, the PDA. To suggest that we’re now almost back, after 5 years to where we were two full years before we hit our peak (and were thrown over the cliff by our own leadership), is a false argument. It’s also not true. Check your numbers. We only have 15 lines right now http://web.greens.org/statestatus/. We had 24 going into the Cobb campaign. http://www.gp.org/ballotstatus.shtml
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    “Although our registration declined modestly in 2005 and 2006, so did that of most other parties.”

    That is also not true. The 2005 numbers showed tremendous growth for Democrats and Republicans. Our registration fell. I have not checked 2006 for Dems and Reps, but outside of the aforementioned Maine, which does not begin to offset the losses elsewhere, GPUS registration fell considerably. Just look at California, New York, and Massachusetts to give yourself a hint of the truth. It’s on their respective BOE websites for each year — 04, 05, and 06. The decline is staggering. I don’t know what definition of “facts” you use, but I use the standard one.
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    “Registration was in a long-term decline in states that included New Mexico and Oregon before the 2004 campaign. California’s registration has declined because of state party infighting that goes beyond Cobb vs. Nader. ”

    In-fighting amongst the 100 or so state committee members in CA is invisible to the 138,861 registered voters. There is no evidence that committee in-fighting in any party has ever translated into membership drops, even when it is highly publicized. There was unbelievable in-fighting in the Democrats in 2004 (no point in reviewing all that here, it was very much in the press), and their party registration soared. Party decline for Greens started in late 2003 (and started hitting state tallies in 2004, when more decline set in) with the membership-raiding drives of the precursors of the PDA, who captured thousands of registered Greens with the bait of voting for Kucinich in Dem primaries. Immediately upon the conclusion of the election, that organization received the immediate blessing, in word and deed, from David Cobb, Pat LaMarche, and Medea Benjamin. Facts!
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    ”I agree that 80% is too high a threshold for making a major decision, and that the Greens have other problems such as an obsession with process. I’ve seen too much time at Green meetings wasted on upchuck like picking apart the minutes from previous meetings.”

    No argument from me here. That’s all true, and it all sucks. Way too much sucks about the way this party operates, especially the strange tendency we have to promote and ensconce our most failed personnel.
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    ”However, it’s unfair to attack the party as being captive to the Democrats based on one campaign strategy for one office in one year.”

    See all of my statements above. That is not what I’m doing. What I’m saying is that the party is captive to the very same leaders who created and implemented that strategy, and based on the very true information in my first paragraph (which is a very rudimentary list, it gets even worse when you go state-by-state), there is no way you could honestly disagree with my point. It is a completely proven point. If you dismiss that list, then you simply don’t care. And that’s the part I object to the most. There is so much dishonesty-as-business-as-usual amongst the leadership (they’re still claiming all kinds of “growth” out of the 2004 election, which is astounding) that I truly can’t even honorably recruit new members to join.

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    “Most of the so-called “Demogreens” are fighting the Democrats just as hard as Nader supporters do.”

    That’s not true. The “Demogreens” are those who apply and withdraw GP pressure in the electoral process in the manner of a lobby — give me the policies I seek, and I step back, kill those policies, and I step forward.

    Republicans didn’t stop running against Democrats after they were given welfare “reform” and NAFTA. They’re real parties, and they run for their party, and not for some variable quotient of platform items vs. risk of “spoiling.”

    Maybe you know some people you think are being referred to as ‘demogreens’ who have not earned that title. But you’re speculating. There have been hardly any names used. The demogreens exist. Many of them are proud of themselves. One is Mike Feinstein, who tried to cheat California election law to allow Democrats to run on Green ballot lines (no fusion permitted in CA). Others called themselves “Greens For Impact.”

    Many other officers and “opinion leaders” openly support and strategize around races where Democrats aren’t in the race (like Phil Huckelberry, who frequently touts his candidacy results, without ever disclosing he never ran against a Democrat).

    And there are spectacular cases like Ted Glick, who heavily promoted “safe states” before it was established, and turned out to actually be the holder of a NJ Democrat, not Green, registration.

    There are a lot of “demogreens,” or perhaps you could call them “soft Greens,” and they’re very real, and by definition, most of them are not fighting the Democrats as hard as a real hard-core Green like my old friend Steve Greenfield in New York, who entered Green politics by running for Congress against a member of the Democratic Progressive Caucus who got 100% ratings from the League of Conservation Voters, and then for county office against two Democrats of good progressive repute in which he got 21% of the vote, and was then driven out of the party by the Demogreens, who subsequently elevated “I never ran against a Democrat” Phil Huckelberry to the Steering Committee.

  47. Jeremy Wells said on September 9th, 2007 at 9:25pm #

    The POTENTIAL of a national GREEN party to replace the corporate controlled Democratic party is immense. Anti-war activists (like Cindy Sheehan) who have left the Democratic Party are looking for a national political party to join and support their cause. The support for Dennis Kucinich is weakened by his unwavering attachment to the Democratic Party, a party decidedly opposed to his ideas now as in 2004.

    There are MILLIONS of other people, organized into small “single issue” causes, that naturally belong into a reinvigorated national Green party. The issues should become planks of national, state, and local platforms. The national green leaders and strategists should make a list of these groups and causes.

    A proposal should be made to each group (or collectively to several groups organized on a special issue). These groups are presumed to be experts on their single issue, and have resources (people,time, energy, money,mailing lists, etc.).
    All the individuals and groups would perhaps form a “caucus” to a national Green convention where they would submit their proposed “planks” (of a platform) for consideration. The representative(s) of their group would most probably become candidates for elected office (at every level of government) of be available to become appointees to a new green administrations.

    Who would naturally become Green party registered members, activists, and office seekers?
    Anti-war protesters. Global warming activists and scientists. Envirnonmental activists. Human rights activists. Immigration activists. Prison reform activists.
    Health care advocates. Teachers unions and education activists. Housing activists . “Living Wage” activists. Labor unions. Working people. Seniors. Social Security activists.

    The list goes on and on. It involves just about everyone in America who is not in the top 5% who own 90% of everything.

    The Greens must consider thinking beyond it’s Ten Points program to consider this question: The greens must confront corporate capitalism and oppose the privatization of the federal government.

    One last point: the national Green party should change it’s name to:

    The Green Commonwealth Party

    to reflect that this new invigorated Green party shall rule “of, by, and for”
    the economic interests of all the people, and not just in the interest of profit
    maximization for the corporations or the “military-industrial complex”.

    Jeremy Wells, Santa Monica, Ca. Registered Green Party over ten years but never able or want to be an “activist” in the kind of “discussions” that have wrecked the Greens.

  48. Wally Petrovich said on September 10th, 2007 at 6:29am #

    J.Frank wants to “radicalize” the Green Party of the US.

    That’s a good in itself! Isn’t that what the 10 Green values call for … “democracy” in our socially necessary institutions?

    But Max Shields minimizes Frank’s call for a radical change by calling it a pathological urge and little more…, and that any radical change would simply be a replacement of one pathology with another…, his (Max’s) seeming conclusion being….nothing gained!

    No so!

    Max minimizes Frank’s reasonable “radical” directions by confining his ( Max’s) understanding of the concept of “radicalism” to simply a “pathology” without demonstrating its societal reason for being…, its social content.

    Pathology can mean the study of the essential nature of diseases, and especially of the “sructural and functional changes produced by them……” which is a fair and accurate description of a “radical” concept,
    and when applied to our own society, it becomes clear what it reveals,
    and what our rational prescriptions must contain to remedy our social problems, which, purportably, is why the Green Party exists.

    What systemic changes would the Green Party make to implement the 10 Green Values…, the most significant among these, the one which would bring into being all the others, is the 3rd, the one which mandates that “We, the People, have a direct voice and vote in all matters that affect our lives. ?

    Certainly, a “direct” voice and vote would be applied to both our civic and our economic institutions…, to our communities…, to our broader, regional government bodies…, and equally necessary, to
    our industrial work places where our R&D work is done…, where our mining, refining, fabrication and assembly works is done…, where our public services …, health, education, recreation and all other cultural proclivities are decidexc by ourselves to be needed and wanted..

    The content of the socialist ( radical) criticism of capitalism is just that…, a revelation of not only the societal diseases spawned by capitalism…, such as perennial impoverishment of millions of working class Americans…, the periodic wars caused by the global economic rivalries among the commodity producing (capitalist) societies…, and the continued threatened, and actual destruction of our precious, life giving environment…, it, bona fide socialism, contains the democratic prescriptions that can enable us, We, the People, to eliminate the social diseases this system produces.

    Were We, the People, in a democratic system that decision making empowerments…, and the means to minimize, if not totally eliminate, industrial processes that jeopordize our natural surroundings…,

    The present , undemocratic, economic system, capitalism, has diseased our society with many ills…, among these being the destruction of our environment, perennial poverty among millions of working class people, and periodic wars caused by global economic rivalries .., and in this context, “socialism,” or an Economic Democracy, can be viewed as “radical,” in that its reason for being is justified by its revelations of the societal diseases spawned by this present economic system… , and equally important…, contains all the democratic mechanisms that, when applied to our civic and industrial government, empowers We, the People, with a direct voice and vote in all matters that affect our lives…, an empowerment that enables us to develop industrial processes that will not threaten our environment…, and will promote peaceful, cooperative , rather than competitive, economic relationships with our global neighbors.

    Economic democracy under capitalism is a “radical” concept

    Radicalism, defined and understood in the context of specific systemic conditions, has real substance which can be rationalized (reasoned) and placed into the context of today’s social institutuions.

    For example, the 3rd Green Value states that all citizens should have a voice and a direct vote in all matters that affect our lives. Nothing

    Max Shields is right…, no “Party” has ever changed a social system…, but PEOPLE have.

    It our society, is within the powers of the majority, who make up electorate, through the legal and peaceful ballot process, that “We,” the People, can make the necessary changes in our government and in our industrial complex. to complete the Green Party mission of “democratize our social institutions.”

    The mission of a “political” party in our society is to “educate and organize,” We, the People, along political and industrial lines , to elect representatives…, “working class” representatives… (yes, Virginia Greens, there is a “working class,” and ALL Greens are in it ) to bring legislation to Congressional floors that will implement Green principles (Values) to replace this “political” form of “un-representative” government with an “industrial” form which includes both our work places and our communities…. This profound change can be accomplished through the Constitutionally mandated Amendment Clause…,.

    in which We, the People, society itself, owns the necessary industries and democratically operates these to maintain a peaceful and prosperous
    society, which the Green Values advocate…, but which the Green Party of the US membership has not pursued for reasons never explained in open discussion.

    Joshua, what is your prescription for the implementation of Green Values, (principles) into the necessary social institutiojn of our society?

  49. Wally Petrovich said on September 10th, 2007 at 6:42am #

    My previous post is unfinished, unedited and was inadvertantly sent due to fat fingers on the key board… Bear with me and see my complete, edited post. Apologies. I contacted the editors to halt it, but apparently the technology used allowed it to be posted without editorial consent. wp

  50. Wally Petrovich said on September 10th, 2007 at 7:27am #

    Wally Petrovich said on September 10th, 2007 at 6:29 am #
    J.Frank wants to “radicalize” the Green Party of the US.

    That’s a good in itself! Isn’t that what the 10 Green values call for … “democracy” in our socially necessary institutions?

    But Max Shields minimizes Frank’s call for a radical change by calling it a pathological urge and little more…, and that any radical change would simply be a replacement of one pathology with another…, his (Max’s) seeming conclusion being….nothing gained!

    Not so!

    Max denigrates Frank’s reasonable “radical” directions by confining his ((Max’s) understanding of the concept of “radicalism” to simply a “pathology” without demonstrating its societal reason for being…, its social content.

    Pathology can mean the study of the essential nature of diseases, and especially of the “structural and functional changes produced by them……” which is a fair and accurate description of a “radical” concept, and when applied to our own society, it becomes clear what it reveals, and what our rational prescriptions must contain to remedy our social problems, which, purportedly, is why the Green Party exists.

    What systemic changes would the Green Party make to implement the 10 Green Values…, the most significant among these, the one which would bring into being all the others, is the 3rd, the one which mandates that “We, the People, have a direct voice and vote in all matters that affect our lives. ?

    Certainly, a “direct” voice and vote would be applied to both our civic and our economic institutions…, to our communities…, to our broader, regional government bodies…, and equally necessary, to our industrial work places where our R&D work is done…, where our mining, refining, fabrication and assembly works is done…, where our public services …, health, education, recreation and all other cultural proclivities are decide by ourselves to be needed and wanted..

    The content of the socialist ( radical) criticism of capitalism is just that…, a revelation of not only ….. the societal diseases spawned by capitalism…, such as perennial impoverishment of millions of working class Americans…, the periodic wars caused by the global economic rivalries among the commodity producing (capitalist) societies…, and the continued threatened, and actual destruction of our precious, life giving environment…, equally significant, it, bona fide socialism, contains the democratic prescriptions that can enable us, We, the People, to eliminate the social diseases this system produces.

    Were We, the People, in a democratic system in which decision making empowerments…, enable us to the means to minimize, if not totally eliminate, industrial processes that jeopardize our natural surroundings…, would we continue to use the same commodity production mechanics used by capitalism that have produced our societal discontent?

    The “system” now being opposed by the 10 Green Values…, which are the Green principles that form the bedrock of Green agitation…, is, of course, this undemocratic, economic system, capitalism. Capitalism’s rules have “compelled” corporate controllers to disease our society with many ills…, among these being the destruction of our environment, the disgraceful, perennial poverty among millions of working class people, and the periodic wars caused by global economic rivalries . It is in in this context, “socialism,” or an Economic Democracy, can be viewed as “radical,” in that its reason for being is justified by its revelations of the societal diseases spawned by this present economic system…

    Equally important, an Economic Democracy contains all the democratic mechanisms which, when applied to our civic and industrial government, empowers We, the People, with a direct voice and vote in all matters that affect our lives…, an empowerment that enables us to develop industrial processes that will not threaten our environment…, and will promote peaceful, cooperative , rather than competitive, economic relationships with our global neighbors.

    Max Shields is right…, no “Party” has ever changed a social system…, but PEOPLE , organized and properly represented in a parliamentary process such as is the Congress of the U.S., people who make up majority electorate, through the legal and peaceful ballot process, can make the necessary changes in our government, and in our industrial complex, to complete the Green Party mission which is to “democratize our social institutions.”

    Before any “radical” changes can be brought to fruition, the present mission of a “political” party in our society is to “educate and organize “ the majority electorate along political and industrial lines…, who will then elect representatives…, “working class” representatives… (yes, Virginia Greens, there is a “working class,” and ALL Greens are in it ) …. to bring legislation to Congressional floors that will implement Green principles (Values) to replace this “political” form of “un-representative” government with an “industrial government form” (work place democracy…, a basic unit of society) that will coordinate with civic community forms…, to determine our societal needs and wants.

    This profound change can be accomplished through the Constitutionally mandated Amendment Clause…, resulting in We, the People, society itself, owning our socially necessary industries and democratically operating them to maintain a peaceful and prosperous society …, a society consistent with Green Values.

    Joshua, what is your prescription for the implementation of Green Values,(principles) into the necessary social institution of our society?

    Wally Petrovich said on September 10th, 2007 at 6:42 am #
    My previous post is unfinished, unedited and was inadvertently sent due to fat fingers on the key board… Bear with me and see my complete, edited post. Apologies. I contacted the editors to halt it, but apparently the technology used allowed it to be posted without editorial consent. wp
    Add to the discussion

  51. Wally Petrovich said on September 10th, 2007 at 8:50am #

    To his credit, J.Frank has opened up a “good” can of Green concerns …, which, if properly guided by its own principles, and digested by the membership, will.., perhaps…hope so… produce an effective agitation tactic that will broadcast Green Values , its most powerful education force…, to the majority electorate…, a power that has been ignored…, for whatever undisclosed reaaons…

    For those who say that since the “political” process is a product of this social system, therefore it cannot be effectively used to make fundamental changes, misses the point …, that is…, despite its origins in this kind of class divided society…, it’s Constitutionally mandated vehicles…, such as the ballot process, and the standards of fairness and justness found within the Fifth Amendment’s clause , that also contain many guarantees that are expressly set out in the Bill of Rights, enable us, that ENABLES US TO ABOLISH CAPITALISM…, sine die, and replace it with a system of Economic Democracy…., one which is explicitly called for in the 10 Green Values.

    For an opposition party in this present pro capitalist -two party monopoly of the consciousnesss of the majority (working class) electorate…, to become a viable force…, it needs, first and foremost, to address the needs of the “majority,” which is the ONLY citizen grouping that CAN, via the ballot process, provide the basis…, which is representation in Congress…, for the necessary, systemic changes that are required as everyday institutional procedures in a democracy.

    First and foremost…”Agitate, educate and organize…, politically to make the parliamentary process work for us…, and industrially, to be organized, ready to begin the democratic operations of our needed and wanted industries…, without a hitch in the continuity of our daily ways…, when the Amendment process is used, and capitalism is eliminated…, and our institutions are transformed from their present autocratic political, and industrial, corporate governments to a true democracy in we have a direct vote in all matters that affect our lives.

    The Green Party of the U.S. can “Speed the day!”

  52. Rick said on September 11th, 2007 at 1:43pm #

    I wonder if it is realistic to pin one’s hopes upon Nader “pouring political capital” into the Green Party.

    Ralph is 73 years old. I sincerely doubt that his name is in the hearts and minds of younger left-leaning Americans who are the future of the Greens. I certainly don’t think Nader has enough political capital (or personal celebrity notoriety) to get anything close to a fair shake in the media at this point, much less from the public.

    In 2000, Nader received 2,883,105 votes for 2.74% of the popular vote. He received 463,653 votes for 0.38% of the popular vote in 2004.

    I’m sorry, but that doesn’t look like the rising star I’d want to hitch a political party to!

  53. Lillia Frantin said on September 14th, 2007 at 12:12pm #

    The two most crucial points amongst the many responses to J.Frank’s essay are whether the Green Party will strengthen its Ten Green Value commitment and offer a viable alternative to the political stranglehold of a tyranical duopoly. And whether a political party can indeed change our society.

    Both questions are so important because they directly confront whether we will solve the enormous problems that face us as a people,
    or , like crazy people, keep doing what we’ve done before -falling for the lies & pretty pictures painted by duop candidates- expecting different results. Can it really be nessecary to say that neither Democrats nor Republicans represent us?

    If we are reading this page, we KNOW the answer.

    What’s obvious to radical Greens (and there are many) is that we cannot afford wasting any more energy, time or hope chasing after another failed promise made by those pathetic handmaidens to the corporate economics we now suffer under. But beyond them, it’s not a matter of “bad guys” or not enough smarts. Good god, we’ve had millions of great books outlining what we ‘should do, what we “can do”. The bottom-line is “BUT WE DON’T”. And the real question is “Why?”
    But more of us have to recognize the answer.

    It’s the system. Looking directly at the problems, let’s face it, anyone
    of us could come up with viable ways to heal the earth, heal most human suffering, devise ways to be green, energy-wise, globally peaceful and caring. Its not rocket science. But we should also be WAY BEYOND thinking its just getting the ‘lesser of two evils’ into office. The system, the culture, the economic manacles that force us into accepting cheap and inadequate policies is positively killing us. We all know that. So how can we be arguing about whether we need to change?

    The question is How? As A Green Party member, I know there are many- some represented on this site- that envision a better way than the present mess and are willing to work for it. To finally achieve a fully realized democracy, we have to acknowledge the problem lies not in
    isolated issues,or piecemeal reforms, but in the fundamental way we are locked out of rational decision-making. All that decision-making &
    control resides in the hands of the corporate owners who also own the two parties, the private and ‘public’ media, the natural resources, and control labor, social spending, all governmental agencies. The only way we can build a constiuency of change, is to propose change. Anything less is useless.

    Let’s also this fact. The vision, philosophy and goals of the Green Party, with its Ten Green Values [ particularly the Third Value which calls for a direct and democratic voice in all aspects of our social and economic life] have no place in a profit-driven, corporate state. They are mutually exclusive. Our goals as Greens can only be achieved in a new society based on real social and economic democracy. It’s obvious to many Green Party members that it only makes sense that our voice,
    therfore, must be an alternative to the capitalist economic and political values represented by the Demopublican machine, not be its patsy.

    As for politics having the potential to change society, we only need to read Article Five , the Amendment Clause of the Constitution. It guarantees our right to change institutions, relationships, to change economic rules, to create a new society that answers the new needs of the people. Of course, that is a potential. We first have to clearly commit to Social and Economic Democracy as our central goal before it can become a reality. But we DO have a way- part of our history and part of our tradition- to build a movement, gain visability as a clear alternative, support our own candidates and gain a growing voice in local, state and national elections. Its there for the ‘doing’.

    Joshua Frank raises the MOST important debates of our day. Can we en-vision a different and future better than our present? Can we admit the deep systemic nature of our problems and seek to move beyond denial? Will we use our political voice to speak the truth and not settle for less? Do we have the courage and patience to work as a force for real change, and begin to do what needs to be done? The first American Revolution started with similar questions. The dialogue that Frank has started here may be the start of the next, peaceful one. Our ‘ Great Experiment’ can continue.

  54. Barbara said on September 14th, 2007 at 12:33pm #

    Same old story: How do the few right-wing idiots control the majority?

    This is a really tragic story because news of the Green Party here was very exciting — and intensely exciting when Ralph Nader became their candidate!!!

    Nader, of course, knew something about building a party — had a dream platform — drew crowds, raised money, raised interest — and is a marvelous speaker who never fails to educate his audience.

    All that had to be destroyed, naturally —

    Who are the destroyers–????
    And, why are they still in the Green Party—???

  55. Barbara said on September 14th, 2007 at 12:57pm #

    Can’t read all the comments . . .
    However, the idea that Cobb-“safe state” supporters should no longer be in the Green Party — and especially no in leadership positions — seems a wise one.

    The idea that Nader supporter are harmful to the Green Party is inane —
    though there seems to be attempted myth making to suggest that Ralph Nader abandoned the Green Party to go “independent” rather than the other way around.

    This “independent” run was actually the result of his success in 2000 where he was scapegoated as the cause of Gore’s alleged loss. Rather than standing up to the scapegoating and the swiftboating and sticking with Nader’s incredibly popular candidacy, the Green Party introduced a disingenuous nervous-nelly approach called “safe states,” headed by an inferior candidate no one wanted — Cobb.

    The nation suffered a huge loss when the Green Party took its cowardly approach and shunned Nader for 2004.

    The leadership which decided on “safe states” and Cobb should be gone.

    The Green Party should stop letting cowards among them run their affairs. I’d suggest they should hasten to renew their support for Ralph Nader and benefit from his guidance, wisdom, credibility — and knowledge about the American political scene.

    The Green Party also has an opportunity now to support Democrats who want some place to go as they more clearly understand the betrayal of the Democratic Party leadership in NOT stopping the war in Iraq and the renewed funding of it.

    Democrats cannot pressure the Democratic Party if they have no place to go.

  56. Chris Driscoll said on September 17th, 2007 at 11:40am #

    (please forward to appropriate lists and individuals)

    Binh writes (above) “Why don’t the Nader Greens or left Greens or whatever you want to call them secede and form a new, better, if smaller (at first) Green Party? I’m not sure I understand the rationale behind staying in a party where the (right-wing) leadership does all kinds of nasty undemocratic —- to prevent the party from moving to the left.”

    That is exactly what we have done in Maryland Bihn, creating the Populist Party of Maryland (Ralph Nader chose the name and gave us our initial push by organizing the initial ballot drive, but we have carried on since then, running campaigns for Governor, Lt. Governor, U.S. Senate, and State Assembly. It’s difficult to properly describe how much stress is lifted from our sholders by not having to deal with the Democrat agents in our midst as our collegues in the Green Party are forced to do! I hope others will join us in our Populist revolt against the two-party system and the capitulators in the Green Party who fear any real challenge of it.

    The following is an exchange I had with Nader Green Steve Welzer. Yours, Chris Driscoll, State Chair, Populist Party of Maryland

    Steve,

    I’m not at all sure that the Nader/Green alliance was in any way beneficial to Ralph Nader, to his supporters or to this great nation in such dire crisis. I refer you to Ralph’s “Letter to Greens,” written in early 2004 for details. Ralph may decide to seek the Green nomination next year, and if he does I will support him in that decision; however, I have seen little to convince me that the Green Party U.S. has grown any more mature as a national organization in the intervening years. I’ve yet to see any concerted effort on the part of national Green officials to reach out to Ralph and his supporters and show that they can grow and improve as a leadership. In fact, the last I heard, they still claim not to be a leadership at all, which is one claim with which I am in perfect agreement.

    That fact alone, in fact, is telling. In this age when national leadership is sorely needed, the Green national officials fail the test. What makes you think they will be any more likely to lead in the way they should by reaching out to Ralph Nader and independent Nader supporters than they were in 2004 when the blew their historic opportunity to do so? As a direct result of that error, and of their willful disregard of political realities by choosing to run a stealth safe-states campaign for president in direct opposition to the campaign of Nader and of their own Peter Camejo, both sides of the former alliance lost ground, but the Green Party U.S. lost much more through their mistake: they lost several ballot lines, and, I’ve heard recently, 50,000 members. That’s not good for anyone, but the mistake was deliberate and it was the Green national officials who orchestrated it.

    I’ve yet to see any evidence that they have learned from their mistakes and are willing to be more reasonable this time around. Here in Maryland where I live, The Populist Party of Maryland, created by Nader supporters in order to get him on the ballot in 2004, approached the state Green Party in Feb. 2005 about the possibility of a joint campaign for Governor, which the state Green elected officials rejected out of hand. We approached them again about supporting a Zeese Unity candidacy for U.S. Senate in 2006, which they also rejected out of hand, yet that candidate went on to directly appeal to Green voters in the state caucuses to win the Green nomination, as well as the Populist and Libertarian nominations. That was accomplished by going around the Green elected state officials, but one thing was clear, when we approached the state Libertarian leadership, they acted like leaders seeking coalition, when we approached the Green mis-leadership, they acted like sectarians, circling the wagons and rejecting coalition. To make matter worse, during our Populist Gubernatorial Campaign in 2006, the Greens, in a typically sectarian way, went out of their way to attack our candidates, while we bent over backwards to avoid attacking them, even inviting them to participate in joint events, which they also rejected. Can you imagine the spectacle of the Green Candidates for Governor and Lt. Governor attacking the Populist candidates, demanding in public that we withdraw our candidacies? Claiming over and over again that we did not have a right to run? What a shameful embarrassment for the third-party movement! Part of their strategy was to attack us by continuously mentioning our origin as a party based on Nader supporters. Not that we were offended by being mentioned along with Ralph Nader, but the fact that they decided that that was a campaign strategy worthy of Green candidates tells us a lot about how these misleaders think. Again in the late fall of 2006, after the elections, we Populists approached the state Green officials about the possibility of planning future “unity” campaigns based on the success of the Zeese Unity Campaign for U.S. Senate, (which, remember, the Populists, Libertarians and Green rank and file had to force on the state Green misleaders!) and once again they rejected our coalition appeal. We Populists think it is wrong for any third party candidates to say in public that other third parties do not have the right to run. It is a basic violation of third-party principles. We appealed to the Green state leadership to curb their candidates from that shameful public display, but to no avail. We still believe in building coalitions, and we still believe that progressive third party candidates gain nothing by attacking each other and everything by joining together in our attacks on the corrupt plutocratic corporate parties, and I hope someday the Green officials in Maryland will come to feel the same way.

    I will be surprised if their national apparatus is any more reasonable about appeals for coalition and working with progressive and populist forces outside their narrow, sectarian ranks.

    I want to make crystal clear that I think there are some wonderful state green parties and many wonderful individual Greens who would not act in the brazen sectarian fashion the Maryland State Green Party elected officials acted in and continue to act toward Nader supporters outside the Green Party, apparently solely because we were and are Nader supporters and they now see us as a threat of some imaginary kind.

    I am hopeful that once the Green Party U.S. goes the way of other like-minded sectarian forces into the oblivion of the footnotes of history, that the better state Green Parties will form part of a broader national “party of the people” along with other progressive and populist forces. I have many close friends and political associates who are Greens and who act in exemplary ways. Many Greens in the state of Maryland voted for me in our gubernatorial campaign last year and helped in our campaign. Yet the Green Party U.S. and the state party with which I am most closely familiar, the party in Maryland, has not in anyway reformed itself into a democratic organization. As Josh Franks pointed out in a recent article on DissidentVoices.org, they continue to operate more as a sectarian click than they do as a democratic organization. They continue to use as the model for their presidential nomination the outmoded, undemocratic U.S. Electoral College which gives small backwards state organizations incredibly unbalanced voting weight. If the national organization is anywhere as sectarian as the Maryland organization is, they are sure to reject appeals to coalition just as the state organization did repeatedly.

    I have not seen anything that would lead me to believe that the Green Party U.S. (GPUS) has adopted any more than superficial reforms toward becoming a democratic organization, and has certainly not done what it needs to do to become the mature organization Ralph Nader spoke of their possibly becoming in his 2004 Letter to Greens.

    As I said at the beginning of this letter, if Ralph Nader seeks the Green nomination, I will support him in his decision. It is his to make after all. However, I fear that any further association by Ralph with the Green Party U.S. will hurt his chances of reaching the people more than help them, given the generally bad reputation the national Green organization has created for itself. It seems as though the Green Party nationally and in my state go out of their way to present themselves as a culture not just different from working class culture, but absolutely anti-working class. Before I left the Green Party in the Summer of 2004, I found that as a life-long labor activist, I had absolutely no luck in selling the Green Party to working people because as hard as I tried to present the Green Party as a pro-working-class group, the sectarians who ran the organization were more successful at presenting the party as a group of counter-culturalists who went to extraordinary lengths to alienate themselves from working people. I have nothing against those in the counter-culture. In many ways I count myself as one of their ranks. However, the Green misleaders seem to have grown for themselves a rather virulent strain of counterculturalism that goes out of its way to push working people away! That may not be the case everywhere, in fact, I am sure that in some states Greens have gone out of their way to make working people feel at home in their ranks. I look at New York, for example, as a state Green organization that has adopted democratic methods of the type that working people demand, making their party more accessible and open to working people. But for every New York, there are dozens of state Green organizations run by and for sectarian countercultural nuts.

    If Ralph Nader can overcome those kinds of obstacles to reaching out to the great majority in this country, I applaud him; however, it will be all the more difficult for him to do so with the Green ball and chain around his neck. This is a political calculus, for sure: what’s more important, the positive of a few dozen ballot spots or the overwhelming negative of the sorry baggage the Green Party brings with it into any coalition? I tend to feel the negatives outweigh the positives. I may be wrong, but I hope I have presented a case fat least worth considering.

    Sincerely,
    Chris Driscoll, state chair, Populist Party of Maryland and 2006 Populist nominee for Governor.

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    Posted by: “s_welzer” moc.nsmnull@rezlewevets s_welzer
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    [This is an updated version of an article
    that was circulated earlier in the summer.
    The appeal is more urgent now that Ralph
    Nader has given permission for his name
    to appear on the Green Party of California
    primary ballot.]

    REVIVE THE ALLIANCE, IN SOME FORM

    Our party has an opportunity to revive an alliance
    with an iconic, historic figure who the Atlantic
    Monthly named as one of the 100 Most Influential
    Americans of all time; who, for over ten years, has
    been identified with the Green Party in the press and
    among the electorate; who advocates strongly and
    prominently for issues of critical importance to
    Greens. I think we should proactively take advantage
    of the opportunity.

    The Ralph Nader/Green Party alliance that was
    initiated in 1996 was arguably the most promising
    development for alternative progressive politics in
    this country in decades. It culminated in a notably
    successful campaign in 2000. That campaign got the
    highest percentage of votes for a progressive ticket
    since the La Follette campaign of 1924. It had a high
    media profile and therefore generated an unusual
    amount of public discussion about issues like the
    role of third parties, the closed nature of the U.S.
    political system, access to the televised debates,
    and electoral system reform.

    The closeness of the 2000 horse race between George
    Bush and Al Gore, the disputed outcome, and the
    consequent atrocious policies of the Bush
    administration resulted in a difficult situation
    for the Green Party. Many liberals and progressives
    decried the Nader campaign, after-the-fact, as
    misguided – due to the alleged “spoiler” effect. Such
    criticism was misplaced, but Greens felt the heat.
    Some became inclined to retreat from a posture of
    putting forward the most serious possible challenge
    to both of the dominant parties; some got cold feet
    about the party’s association with Ralph Nader.
    These and a host of other factors resulted in the
    dissolution of the Ralph Nader/Green Party alliance
    during and after 2004.

    On his part, Nader failed to recognize the extent
    to which the interest in and sympathy for his 2000
    candidacy was based on the idea that he was working
    to build a significant, permanent new alternative
    party. I believe that he made a mistake by “going
    independent. ” It resulted in loss of support,
    diversion of precious campaign resources toward
    dealing with ballot access problems, and a
    disconcerting series of unproductive alliances
    with forces more marginal than the Green Party.
    The struggle for “more voices and more choices”
    in American politics would have been advanced
    immeasurably had Nader, after 2000, tackled
    the challenge – as an insider – of helping to
    develop GPUS into a serious new force.

    Regardless of past differences, debates, disagreements
    it is key now that both the Greens and Ralph Nader’s
    circle of colleagues acknowledge the lessons of 2004
    and recognize that running competing campaigns
    is a recipe for disaster. Hopefully, both can
    now see that the Nader/GP alliance had great
    potential and needs to be revived in some form,
    either through:
    . Nader as the 2008 GP nominee, or
    . a Nader campaign supported by the Green Party, or
    . a Green campaign supported by Ralph Nader.

    BALLOT ACCESS AS A PRIORITY

    The Democrats decided in 2004 that the scenario of
    spoilers-enabling- a-Republican- victory was so
    insufferable that any tactic on their part was
    permissible to thwart it. Preventing ballot access
    for Nader and, to a lesser extent, the Green Party,
    became a priority goal. The Democrats were successful.
    Nader got on only 35 ballots. The Green Party ticket
    got on only 28.

    Appearing on all 51 ballots is a daunting task, but
    surely it’s not impossible – the Libertarians have
    accomplished it several times. In order to succeed,
    the organization of the ballot access drives in the
    hardest states must be initiated far in advance of
    the dates when petitioning is allowed to begin. That
    means petition drive organizing for the 2008 cycle
    should begin within weeks after the November, 2007
    elections are over.

    It was the Democrats’ priority in 2004 to keep
    progressive challengers off the ballot. It should be
    our priority this time to show them that their rabid
    tactics of 2004 will not be allowed to set a precedent.
    They declared a war; they won a battle; we must now
    come right back and show that we have the
    organizational skills to prevail.

    The Democrats would like nothing better than to see
    the Nader forces and the Green Party forces divided
    again in 2008. All those who recognize the importance
    of a progressive alternative challenge to the
    entrenched duopoly have an interest in working
    against such a division, an interest in promoting
    some form of collaboration. Ralph Nader owes it to
    the progressive community to act responsibly in terms
    of the timeframe of his decision about his intentions
    for 2008. If he decides to run, it would be encouraging
    for the Green rank-and-file to hear that our leaders,
    along with representatives from Nader’s circle, are
    taking proactive steps to avoid a scenario of
    mutually destructive competition. Let’s all work hard,
    instead, to find a way to revive what had been
    a mutually beneficial alliance.

    Steve Welzer
    Green Party of New Jersey

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